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[Frozo]

I know this has been posted before but seems as im going to be rebuilding Freck and theres some welding to be done should i go for a gas welder or gas-less? also which is easier to use and what produces the best quality weld?

cheers

[Trail of Dead]

Tom, this all depends on "where" you are going to be welding him. Outside welding is best left for Gasless (aka "Flux-Core") as any wind that may be blowing outside won't blow away the shielding gas that Gas welders rely on. Gas welders use the gas to "shield" the weld...if it gets blown away then the weld suffers dramatically. My Dad always says "You'll know when the welder is set up right as it will sound like frying Chicken!". Gas produces the best quality welds but Flux-core welders aren't too bad....just make sure which ever one you choose you get a good brand. Also, it might be better to find a good Gas/Gasless welder as you'll still be able to weld when you run out of gas (just make sure you use flux-core wire when welding without gas!!!).

[Frozo]

Tom, this all depends on "where" you are going to be welding him. Outside welding is best left for Gasless (aka "Flux-Core") as any wind that may be blowing outside won't blow away the shielding gas that Gas welders rely on. Gas welders use the gas to "shield" the weld...if it gets blown away then the weld suffers dramatically. My Dad always says "You'll know when the welder is set up right as it will sound like frying Chicken!". Gas produces the best quality welds but Flux-core welders aren't too bad....just make sure which ever one you choose you get a good brand. Also, it might be better to find a good Gas/Gasless welder as you'll still be able to weld when you run out of gas (just make sure you use flux-core wire when welding without gas!!!).

I'm going to be in a garage. will post pictures of it when i start the project thread on sunday so which would you recommend?

cheers

[myredmini]

Apparently gas is better, but i use gasless and its really good, i work outside all the time because my garage is not very big and the wind would blow the gas away,i get really good solid welds all you need to do is rub them down with a wire brush to clean the flux off and grind your welds down.

Danny.

edit... you beat me too it trail of the dead

Edited by myredmini, 08 February 2010 - 06:09 PM.

[Trail of Dead]

Tom, this all depends on "where" you are going to be welding him. Outside welding is best left for Gasless (aka "Flux-Core") as any wind that may be blowing outside won't blow away the shielding gas that Gas welders rely on. Gas welders use the gas to "shield" the weld...if it gets blown away then the weld suffers dramatically. My Dad always says "You'll know when the welder is set up right as it will sound like frying Chicken!". Gas produces the best quality welds but Flux-core welders aren't too bad....just make sure which ever one you choose you get a good brand. Also, it might be better to find a good Gas/Gasless welder as you'll still be able to weld when you run out of gas (just make sure you use flux-core wire when welding without gas!!!).

I'm going to be in a garage. will post pictures of it when i start the project thread on sunday so which would you recommend?

cheers

Hmmm well if we were in the States I'd recommend either a Lincoln or a Miller. But here, well I have heard good things about Clarke welders and Sealey welders. Shifty would be the best man to recommend a good welder here in the UK. Also, get yourself a couple "flap-discs" for grinding down the welds.....flap-discs have been a highly regarded secret among builders like Chip Foose and Boyd Coddington. They make the weld nearly invisible!

Danny, sorry! Apparently great minds think alike!

But yeah, Frozo personally I'd go for a Gas/Gasless welder as you'll be able to weld if you don't got the cash for a cylinder of gas. Oh, and don't waste your time with those little tanks of gas.....get yourself a BIG cylinder! Oh, and always lay the cylinder DOWN! If you have it standing upright and it falls over you risk knocking off the reg/valve on top and then it will turn into a HUGE unguided missile! It could shoot straight through Freck, you or anything else in it's way!

Edited by Trail of Dead, 08 February 2010 - 06:16 PM.

[Frozo]

Tom, this all depends on "where" you are going to be welding him. Outside welding is best left for Gasless (aka "Flux-Core") as any wind that may be blowing outside won't blow away the shielding gas that Gas welders rely on. Gas welders use the gas to "shield" the weld...if it gets blown away then the weld suffers dramatically. My Dad always says "You'll know when the welder is set up right as it will sound like frying Chicken!". Gas produces the best quality welds but Flux-core welders aren't too bad....just make sure which ever one you choose you get a good brand. Also, it might be better to find a good Gas/Gasless welder as you'll still be able to weld when you run out of gas (just make sure you use flux-core wire when welding without gas!!!).

I'm going to be in a garage. will post pictures of it when i start the project thread on sunday so which would you recommend?

cheers

Hmmm well if we were in the States I'd recommend either a Lincoln or a Miller. But here, well I have heard good things about Clarke welders and Sealey welders. Shifty would be the best man to recommend a good welder here in the UK. Also, get yourself a couple "flap-discs" for grinding down the welds.....flap-discs have been a highly regarded secret among builders like Chip Foose and Boyd Coddington. They make weld nearly invisible!

kk, cheers. i'll give Shifty a pm in a sec.

[myredmini]

Tom, this all depends on "where" you are going to be welding him. Outside welding is best left for Gasless (aka "Flux-Core") as any wind that may be blowing outside won't blow away the shielding gas that Gas welders rely on. Gas welders use the gas to "shield" the weld...if it gets blown away then the weld suffers dramatically. My Dad always says "You'll know when the welder is set up right as it will sound like frying Chicken!". Gas produces the best quality welds but Flux-core welders aren't too bad....just make sure which ever one you choose you get a good brand. Also, it might be better to find a good Gas/Gasless welder as you'll still be able to weld when you run out of gas (just make sure you use flux-core wire when welding without gas!!!).

I'm going to be in a garage. will post pictures of it when i start the project thread on sunday so which would you recommend?

cheers

Hmmm well if we were in the States I'd recommend either a Lincoln or a Miller. But here, well I have heard good things about Clarke welders and Sealey welders. Shifty would be the best man to recommend a good welder here in the UK. Also, get yourself a couple "flap-discs" for grinding down the welds.....flap-discs have been a highly regarded secret among builders like Chip Foose and Boyd Coddington. They make the weld nearly invisible!

Danny, sorry! Apparently great minds think alike!

no problem bud

[Frozo]

Just gotta nip out for an hour or so. and ive pm'd shifty so its all good thanks for the help so far

[tomgale]

Tom, this all depends on "where" you are going to be welding him. Outside welding is best left for Gasless (aka "Flux-Core") as any wind that may be blowing outside won't blow away the shielding gas that Gas welders rely on. Gas welders use the gas to "shield" the weld...if it gets blown away then the weld suffers dramatically. My Dad always says "You'll know when the welder is set up right as it will sound like frying Chicken!". Gas produces the best quality welds but Flux-core welders aren't too bad....just make sure which ever one you choose you get a good brand. Also, it might be better to find a good Gas/Gasless welder as you'll still be able to weld when you run out of gas (just make sure you use flux-core wire when welding without gas!!!).

I'm going to be in a garage. will post pictures of it when i start the project thread on sunday so which would you recommend?

cheers

Hmmm well if we were in the States I'd recommend either a Lincoln or a Miller. But here, well I have heard good things about Clarke welders and Sealey welders. Shifty would be the best man to recommend a good welder here in the UK. Also, get yourself a couple "flap-discs" for grinding down the welds.....flap-discs have been a highly regarded secret among builders like Chip Foose and Boyd Coddington. They make the weld nearly invisible!

Danny, sorry! Apparently great minds think alike!

But yeah, Frozo personally I'd go for a Gas/Gasless welder as you'll be able to weld if you don't got the cash for a cylinder of gas. Oh, and don't waste your time with those little tanks of gas.....get yourself a BIG cylinder! Oh, and always lay the cylinder DOWN! If you have it standing upright and it falls over you risk knocking off the reg/valve on top and then it will turn into a HUGE unguided missile! It could shoot straight through Freck, you or anything else in it's way!

hmm? i got told by the boc man that the cylinder had to be upright, have i been lied to? oh well its securly bungie corded to a wall in the garage. if your going to use the big cylinder then i reckon the best thing is too keep the cylinder stationary and have a long gas line so you can just move the welder. much easier than lugging the bottle too and les risk of it falling over.

[Trail of Dead]

Tomgale, I've seen people bungie one of the big cylinders to a dolly and then lay the dolly down. That way it is on wheels and nicely cradled....and it is still at an angle somewhat, not laying flat on the ground. If you have a proper cart made to hold those big cylinders then that is fine (my Dad had one for his Oxygen/Acetylene tanks). Seriously though if one of those falls over and manages to break it's valve clean off then RUN!

I don't think you have been "lied" to, I am simply thinking safety here.

Edited by Trail of Dead, 08 February 2010 - 06:31 PM.

[Shifty]

Gas welder all the way!!

I've just bought a Clarke 160en for doing mobile jobs with and its a cracking little tool, cost me £250(new)

Some people like gasless, I don't. The welds take much longer to clean back and you need to use a little more power(which makes thin stuff trickier)

[tomgale]

Tomgale, I've seen people bungie one of the big cylinders to a dolly and then lay the dolly down. That way it is on wheels and nicely cradled....and it is still at an angle somewhat, not laying flat on the ground. If you have a proper cart made to hold those big cylinders then that is fine (my Dad had one for his Oxygen/Acetylene tanks). Seriously though if one of those falls over and manages to break it's valve clean off then RUN!

I don't think you have been "lied" to, I am simply thinking safety here.

yeah, spose it shouldnt matter. mine fell over yesterday and broke the plastic on a brand new regulator now its all safe and not moving.

[Frozo]

Gas welder all the way!!

I've just bought a Clarke 160en for doing mobile jobs with and its a cracking little tool, cost me £250(new)

Some people like gasless, I don't. The welds take much longer to clean back and you need to use a little more power(which makes thin stuff trickier)

Want to teach me to Weld? aha

[Bungle]

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