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#1 craigr91

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:38 PM

After wanting more power for a long while and debating which route to go after researching the r1 kits, vtec and then Vauxhall... and then I stumbled across this section a couple week ago, im now gonna take the plunge into the turbo.... aim to get something fast off the mark and I don't need a silly top speed, a fast road is what im looking for, my engine is currently a 998 but have drove my mates 1293 a few times..
 
so ima need help on what parts im needing
 
ill be learning about everything as I go along so youll just have to bear with me, never ever done anything other than a service haha :)
 
it will be a slow project as work is busy and im looking at buying a house later this year.
 
been reading http://www.turbo-mini.com/index2.html and scouring turbomini forums.
 
now the story is over im all up for suggestions as to what engine + engine work will be needed, turbo's and parts etc(the full works haha) with a do it if needed and do it once attitude, may take longer but it will be better in the long run
any websites that I can look at for parts will be great too :D
 
seen this on ebay, and I know everyone mentions Renault 5 turbo but its still a t2 eh? or am I missing something haha
http://www.ebay.co.u...=item3cd365474f
 
sorry to babble on :)
 
thanks, Craig

Edit - list of parts to collect :)

So a 998 +20 thou and pocketed to accept 12g940 head
70773 pistons
1275 metro camshaft
gt17 turbo
intercooler
mpi tank and fuel pump
metro fuel reg
metro turbo carb
metro turbo inlet manifold
metro plenum chamber,
std mini gearbox with minispares x-pin diff

If I missed anything let me know and I can add :)
 

Edited by craigr91, 25 July 2013 - 06:24 PM.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:01 PM

to be honest if you want something "fast off the mark" i'd go supercharger instead, as a turbo needs to build up to go, a supercharger is belt driven so would be more effective off the lights, 



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:31 PM

What he said    :highfive:



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:37 PM

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:55 PM

Maybe ill have to look into SC, they easily drive able around town etc?

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:01 AM

Yes, it's just like having a bigger engine as the blower squeezes extra air into the cylinders proportional to the rpm. However it's not as efficient, or flexible, as a turbo which runs off the volume of exhaust gas going through it - i.e. you have control via the throttle pedal. A well spec'd modern turbo won't give away much in throttle response to a belt drive blower.

 

You'd be well advised to put together a decent engine & gearbox first though, or your fun could be short lived.



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Posted 13 July 2013 - 08:30 AM

Either way I go it defo will be a engine rebuild so I know it's right, I just want an engine that's quick when you put foot down, that's why I though about turbo as I can be driving and put fits own n it'll kick in :)

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:11 AM

I would advise going the turbo route,

 

the reasons for this are, much better fuel economy, easier sourcing of parts, future expandability if you do decide you want more power.

 

Also another good option is a turbo'd 998, you can get a smooth reliable 100hp relativly easily, and due to the shorter stroke of the 998 you end up with a nice buzzy engine.

 

Basically its not massivly hard to do If you know one end of a spanner from the other, the main things you need to worry about uprating are....

 

Pistons, some of the std pistons arnt up to much so rather than plunking a turbo on a re ringed bottom end, get it rebored +20 thou with a decent piston, minispares mega's, omega, will all be up to the job, and many people run 180-200 hp on these. get pistons with somthing like a 15cc dish to get the compretion ratio down a bit ( more of that later)

 

Diff, the std diff is a bit pants, if your going much over about 80-90 hp you need to think about changing it for a X pin diff, get the minispares one, its proven to be nearly indistuctible,

 

Clutch, chances are you'll have to uprate the clutch, if you have the preverto style you can change the pressure plate to an orange (ok for about 120 hp) grey (ok for about 150-180) or double grey (200hp+), dont just go out ab buy the strongest one though! as strong clutches put a lot of stress on the crank thrust bearings.

If your running a verto, you can put in a metro turbo cover( good for about 120-130 hp), pull apart two std verto's and rebuild them into one unit with two springs( good for 200+ hp) or  swap to preverto and follow the above, my prefered route is to use the verto as they are  smoother and put about 1/3 of the stress on the crank thrusts ( read eliminate the problem).

 

Gearbox, you'll here people say you need to go straight cut everything, but this isnt really so, a good standard box that hasnt had a hard life ( ie one from under a 998 that has had regular oil changes) will be ok up to around 140-150 hp, the drop gears are pretty strong, and theres a chap that has been running a set of MPI ones at over 200 hp for years.

 

Compressin ratio, a lot of people will say you need to drop the compression ratio right down low with a turbo or it'll explode.... nope, aim for 8.5-9:1 and you'll have the scope to run about 15psi boost and make about 140 hp. chose your pistons, and then get a head to suit, Turbophil on here does good headwork at a good price.

 

 

that covers any engine mods really,

 

Turbo & ancileries, you have two options here, get the bulkhead chopped out to make room for the metro turbo setup, or get a mirage racing exhaust manifold and down pipe, the std metro is a T3, the original Mirage manifolds were made to take a T2, but I think they have now swaped to the more modern GT17.  Picking the actual turbo is a bit of a nightmare as you cant just go by the model, (T2,T3, GT15,GT17, GT20 etc) as they all come with different compressor and turbine sizes dependant on usage and can overlap massivly, as a general rule though, most T2's are suitable, the gt17 form the saab 95 is about perfect, some T3's and gt20's are too big ( unless your looking to make lots of power).

 

you will need to run an intercooler, just get something that looks like it will just fit, wedge it in and pipe it up.... RS turbo, R5, 2wd cosworth have all been used to good effect, but the list is endless, the only rule is usually bigger is better.

 

fueling, use all the metro turbo stuff, carb reg, ect... but for ease and neatness rather than the metro fuel pump, you can use an MPI tank with the internal pump.

 

Diff ratio (as you mentioned it) dont bother with a 4.1 or somthing low, you'll find that 1st and 2nd are non existant and you'll loose more time swaping between gears than actually acellerating.... its generally accepted that a 3.1 is a good compromise for a turbo especially with a std box, some even like to go for the 2.95.

 

this is getting a bit war and peace not so I'll end it there for now.



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Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:35 PM

Oh thanks for being very informative, great post to read and you seem to have the same image I had when I first jumped in TC, didn't know you could get 100bhp from a 998, assuming that will keep me happy for a while I may do that :) more research it is and find a suitable turbo, thank you sir :)

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:58 PM

No problem,

 

another thing to consider is that the 998 A+ pistons are pretty sturdy, and will stand up to boost quite well, I think wil_h on here has used them up to 170+ hp.

 

also with a 998 you can run a basically standard 1275 head and get good results.

 

Also gt15 or Reno 5T2 are good options for a 990

 

if you have any questions in the future feel free to PM me.


Edited by mini13, 13 July 2013 - 05:00 PM.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 09:29 PM

This just needs to be pinned at the top of this section, would be helpful to a lot of people I'm sure

I would advise going the turbo route,

 

the reasons for this are, much better fuel economy, easier sourcing of parts, future expandability if you do decide you want more power.

 

Also another good option is a turbo'd 998, you can get a smooth reliable 100hp relativly easily, and due to the shorter stroke of the 998 you end up with a nice buzzy engine.

 

Basically its not massivly hard to do If you know one end of a spanner from the other, the main things you need to worry about uprating are....

 

Pistons, some of the std pistons arnt up to much so rather than plunking a turbo on a re ringed bottom end, get it rebored +20 thou with a decent piston, minispares mega's, omega, will all be up to the job, and many people run 180-200 hp on these. get pistons with somthing like a 15cc dish to get the compretion ratio down a bit ( more of that later)

 

Diff, the std diff is a bit pants, if your going much over about 80-90 hp you need to think about changing it for a X pin diff, get the minispares one, its proven to be nearly indistuctible,

 

Clutch, chances are you'll have to uprate the clutch, if you have the preverto style you can change the pressure plate to an orange (ok for about 120 hp) grey (ok for about 150-180) or double grey (200hp+), dont just go out ab buy the strongest one though! as strong clutches put a lot of stress on the crank thrust bearings.

If your running a verto, you can put in a metro turbo cover( good for about 120-130 hp), pull apart two std verto's and rebuild them into one unit with two springs( good for 200+ hp) or  swap to preverto and follow the above, my prefered route is to use the verto as they are  smoother and put about 1/3 of the stress on the crank thrusts ( read eliminate the problem).

 

Gearbox, you'll here people say you need to go straight cut everything, but this isnt really so, a good standard box that hasnt had a hard life ( ie one from under a 998 that has had regular oil changes) will be ok up to around 140-150 hp, the drop gears are pretty strong, and theres a chap that has been running a set of MPI ones at over 200 hp for years.

 

Compressin ratio, a lot of people will say you need to drop the compression ratio right down low with a turbo or it'll explode.... nope, aim for 8.5-9:1 and you'll have the scope to run about 15psi boost and make about 140 hp. chose your pistons, and then get a head to suit, Turbophil on here does good headwork at a good price.

 

 

that covers any engine mods really,

 

Turbo & ancileries, you have two options here, get the bulkhead chopped out to make room for the metro turbo setup, or get a mirage racing exhaust manifold and down pipe, the std metro is a T3, the original Mirage manifolds were made to take a T2, but I think they have now swaped to the more modern GT17.  Picking the actual turbo is a bit of a nightmare as you cant just go by the model, (T2,T3, GT15,GT17, GT20 etc) as they all come with different compressor and turbine sizes dependant on usage and can overlap massivly, as a general rule though, most T2's are suitable, the gt17 form the saab 95 is about perfect, some T3's and gt20's are too big ( unless your looking to make lots of power).

 

you will need to run an intercooler, just get something that looks like it will just fit, wedge it in and pipe it up.... RS turbo, R5, 2wd cosworth have all been used to good effect, but the list is endless, the only rule is usually bigger is better.

 

fueling, use all the metro turbo stuff, carb reg, ect... but for ease and neatness rather than the metro fuel pump, you can use an MPI tank with the internal pump.

 

Diff ratio (as you mentioned it) dont bother with a 4.1 or somthing low, you'll find that 1st and 2nd are non existant and you'll loose more time swaping between gears than actually acellerating.... its generally accepted that a 3.1 is a good compromise for a turbo especially with a std box, some even like to go for the 2.95.

 

this is getting a bit war and peace not so I'll end it there for now.



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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:12 PM

Ahmen to that :) if carlsberg did gsf posts..... ;)

Best post I've read for a long time, really has helped and I will have to keep reading over n over to finally fully understand what it all means haha but I can't thank the chap enough for taking time to write such a good post :)

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:16 PM

LOL thanks chaps,

 

any questions post them up, and I'll add then to the above post.



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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:25 PM

Top man Joe ! :D



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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:29 PM

To be honest thats a great guide, mind if I add it to FAQ's, You'll get credit!!






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