Also the rear left wheel has some strange positive camber and toe-out, maybe the twisting isn't just frontal.
Just Needs A Passenger Door, Eh?
#16
Posted 30 October 2014 - 10:04 PM
#17
Posted 31 October 2014 - 12:40 AM
twisted the subframe or radius arm as it went over onto it's side ?
wonder if it slid on ice / snow , clipped a kerb or ditch & went on it's side
still , going to be a fair bit of work for someone
#18
Posted 31 October 2014 - 07:47 AM
Im not convinced that the screen frame is buckled. To my eyes, it looks as if the top of the screen has popped out of the frame??
That camber issue could just be a radius arm. One of my mates years ago went round a corner too quick, side swiped a van before hitting the kirb. It had very similar damage and looked like it had been on it's side. He borrowed the radius arm off my project at the time and carried on driving it as it was.
He was a nutter...
Ben
#19
Posted 31 October 2014 - 09:21 AM
The roof on that side has too much radius. The side pillars A,B and possibly the top of C have all gone inwards.
I spent many years working in accident repair.
The A pillar is also in at the bottom. Just look at the edge of the scuttle panel. This will require serious work on a car-o-liner thats set up for a mini shell.
The rear arch will have been pushed inwards and flattened slightly.
My opinion it that its not worth it.
Its a £1000 car as is and around £1500 in parts at best.
Please also dont forget that a car is usually running and driving in an accident and often the engine doesn't cut out on a side over scrape (fuel cut off inertia switch needs impact). This leaves the oil running to the top away from the sump and causes bottom end issues.
The suspension will need looking at and the subframes too.
Could be much worse then it first looks. To say its just needs a door and the rest will repair is ludicrous.
The front on picture shows the whole roof skin and post tops have moved over to the drivers side.
Just my tuppeny's worth
Edited by Elf is a mini, 31 October 2014 - 09:27 AM.
#20
Posted 31 October 2014 - 09:25 AM
The roof on that side has too much radius. The side pillars A,B and possibly the top of C have all gone inwards.
I spent many years working in accident repair.
The A pillar is also in at the bottom. Just look at the edge of the scuttle panel. This will require serious work on a car-o-liner thats set up for a mini shell.
The rear arch will have been pushed inwards and flattened slightly.
My opinion it that its not worth it.
Its a £1000 car as is and around £1500 in parts at best.
Please also dont forget that a car is usually running and driving in an accident and often the engine doesn't cut out on a side over scrape (full cut off inertia switch needs impact). This leaves the oil running to the top away from the sump and causes bottom end issues.
The suspension will need looking at and the subframes too.
Could be much worse then it first looks. To say its just needs a door and the rest will repair is ludicrous.
Just my tuppeny's worth
I always wondered, how does the Mini attach to the Car-O-liner?
I used one for years at the vauxhall ARC i worked in but the cars i am used to jigging have sill flanges obviously.
always wondered that!
#21
Posted 31 October 2014 - 11:46 AM
Im not convinced that the screen frame is buckled. To my eyes, it looks as if the top of the screen has popped out of the frame??
That camber issue could just be a radius arm. One of my mates years ago went round a corner too quick, side swiped a van before hitting the kirb. It had very similar damage and looked like it had been on it's side. He borrowed the radius arm off my project at the time and carried on driving it as it was.
He was a nutter...
Ben
I think the bottom of the scuttle looks buckled.
The pictures aren't fantastic to be fair
#22
Posted 31 October 2014 - 02:34 PM
The roof on that side has too much radius. The side pillars A,B and possibly the top of C have all gone inwards.
I spent many years working in accident repair.
The A pillar is also in at the bottom. Just look at the edge of the scuttle panel. This will require serious work on a car-o-liner thats set up for a mini shell.
The rear arch will have been pushed inwards and flattened slightly.
My opinion it that its not worth it.
Its a £1000 car as is and around £1500 in parts at best.
Please also dont forget that a car is usually running and driving in an accident and often the engine doesn't cut out on a side over scrape (full cut off inertia switch needs impact). This leaves the oil running to the top away from the sump and causes bottom end issues.
The suspension will need looking at and the subframes too.
Could be much worse then it first looks. To say its just needs a door and the rest will repair is ludicrous.
Just my tuppeny's worth
I always wondered, how does the Mini attach to the Car-O-liner?
I used one for years at the vauxhall ARC i worked in but the cars i am used to jigging have sill flanges obviously.
always wondered that!
The bottom clamping plates that bolt to the flanges under the sills on vauxhalls cant be used. There are adaptor brackets that have a 90 degree elbow so you can clamp to the side flange where the sill meets the door step.
The shell must also have the weight supported as normal using the chassis rail stands. We put them under the subframes on adapted plates. Worked well
Well thats only if there isn't too much rot in the side seam anyway. We repaired a couple of 3-4 year old coopers that already had signs of rust! The scuttle seams under the window rubber were always starting to rust.
We used four side clamps and eight stands. Crazy isnt it.
#23
Posted 31 October 2014 - 02:41 PM
The roof on that side has too much radius. The side pillars A,B and possibly the top of C have all gone inwards.
I spent many years working in accident repair.
The A pillar is also in at the bottom. Just look at the edge of the scuttle panel. This will require serious work on a car-o-liner thats set up for a mini shell.
The rear arch will have been pushed inwards and flattened slightly.
My opinion it that its not worth it.
Its a £1000 car as is and around £1500 in parts at best.
Please also dont forget that a car is usually running and driving in an accident and often the engine doesn't cut out on a side over scrape (full cut off inertia switch needs impact). This leaves the oil running to the top away from the sump and causes bottom end issues.
The suspension will need looking at and the subframes too.
Could be much worse then it first looks. To say its just needs a door and the rest will repair is ludicrous.
Just my tuppeny's worth
I always wondered, how does the Mini attach to the Car-O-liner?
I used one for years at the vauxhall ARC i worked in but the cars i am used to jigging have sill flanges obviously.
always wondered that!
The bottom clamping plates that bolt to the flanges under the sills on vauxhalls cant be used. There are adaptor brackets that have a 90 degree elbow so you can clamp to the side flange where the sill meets the door step.
The shell must also have the weight supported as normal using the chassis rail stands. We put them under the subframes on adapted plates. Worked well
Well thats only if there isn't too much rot in the side seam anyway. We repaired a couple of 3-4 year old coopers that already had signs of rust! The scuttle seams under the window rubber were always starting to rust.
We used four side clamps and eight stands. Crazy isnt it.
Thanks for that!
we worked on a wide range of cars there but all were modern and used the sill clamps.
I can imagine what you are describing and it makes perfect sense.
I would have loved to work on Mini's there but the only thing close in my 9 years was a couple of Bini's
Ben
#24
Posted 31 October 2014 - 02:51 PM
Been a long time since I used a car-o-liner now. Minis were at the end of my metal bashing days.
We did a fair few minis most were mid 90's spi jobbies and a couple of the newer coopers.
The worst area to repair was the lower section of the front bulkhead from a frontal impact. The frame would push back and ripple up the floor and in turn pull the floor and bottom of the A pillars inwards. Not by huge amounts but enough to be a real pain getting it all straight again.
We have to pull the shell straight before we could cut the toe panel out. Fun lol
#25
Posted 31 October 2014 - 02:51 PM
that poor mini looks to have been crashed as opposed to tipped over as there is front end damage too. looks like it can be saved but probably want a full rebuild not just a door......
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