28 replies to this topic

[deanymini]

Putting the money accrued from VED onto the price of fuel is surely the logical thing to do? The more you drive, the more fuel you burn, the more you pay in tax. Makes sense. The current system means that Aunty Ethel who goes to the shops down the road once a week could be paying the same VED as white van man Stan who does 25,000 miles a year. Ridiculous.

[grumpy2]

I have just changed cars and spoke to my insurance company as i was in the same situation as you and I was told that both cars would be insured on the same day for 24 hrs to allow for the change over .. At no extra cost as this was standard procedure .
I taxed the new car over the Internet with the 12 digit doc ref no on the new keeper supplement . Or you can do the same thing at the post office .

 

 

that may well be the solution i was hoping for, will speak with insurance co tomorrow  

 

cheers

[The Matt]

Off topic, I know.  But since they introduced the different tax bands for CO2 emissions, I've failed to see a fairer way of paying tax than by adding it into the fuel.

 

I mean, you want to tax people that drive thirstier cars at a higher rate?

 

You want to tax people that use the road more?

 

Surely it's basic common sense to just add that into the cost of the fuel?  I can't see how it would be as much as 14.5p per litre though.  Not that I've done the maths on it.

 

EDIT: Yeah, I just did a quick estimate on 12,000 miles PA, average of 35mpg....14.5p seems around the right amount for an average car tax bill (200 odd quid a year).

Edited by The Matt, 24 November 2014 - 08:04 AM.

[Chance]

Staying off topic...

What about historic cars with free tax?

Edited by Chance, 24 November 2014 - 09:56 AM.

[The Matt]

They'd suffer. But you could maybe have an exemption card that you use at the petrol station when you fill up?

[Guess-Works.com]

The whole premise associated with historical vehicle exemption is that they are not used much, so suck it up... 

[Cooperman]

Of course, putting the tax directly onto the fuel is the way to do it so long as everyone realises that this will increase the cost of virtually everything we buy. The higher mileage drivers will pay more overall and they are mainly business users. Even the guy who comes to fix my dishwasher, for example, will charge more to cover his increased fuel costs over his reduction in RFL.

Personally I have no issue with this as I now don't do many miles and I can take the view that my increased food and service charge costs will be balanced by my not paying road tax. This works in France, but the cost of everything one buys there is much higher.

[The Matt]

It shouldn't (in theory and using averages) cost any more.  They're paying more for fuel, but not paying VED any more.  The whole idea is that it would balance out.

[grumpy2]

Phoned the insurance today and indeed on the day of changeover the insurance would be valid for the new car. However they cannot guarantee that the DVLA will update their system in time.

Indeed the chap I spoke to said he tried the same thing 3 weeks ago, changing the car on the Friday but was unable to tax the car until the Monday. So that's encouraging!

Progress I guess

[Cooperman]

The last time I did this I got a cover note emailed over, then took the V5 and printed off cover note to the local post office & they taxed it immediately. It was quick & simple.

[grumpy2]

trouble is it's all electronic since October 2014. I already have certificates of insurance that I can use but not until friday (when the insurance becomes valid) I've no chance of getting to a post office on Friday 

 

I'm going to try to tax it friday morning, as i've notified insurance company today and there's half a chance the DVLA will have it on their system by then. If not it's trade plates and tax on Monday

 

I'll post how I get on

[Guess-Works.com]

The DVLA use the MIDB the same as everyone else, including the Police...

If it's not on the database then it's usually the insurance companies fault...

 

Use askmid to check the your vehicle.

[mm man]

trouble is it's all electronic since October 2014. I already have certificates of insurance that I can use but not until friday (when the insurance becomes valid) I've no chance of getting to a post office on Friday 
 
I'm going to try to tax it friday morning, as i've notified insurance company today and there's half a chance the DVLA will have it on their system by then. If not it's trade plates and tax on Monday
 
I'll post how I get on

When I taxed my car online with the new keeper supplement doc ref no on the day of picking up the car the strange thing was that it didn't go though the page to check mot and insurance ? ?
But when I tax one of my other cars online that I am renewing it goes though the page to verify mot and insurance

One other thing if you tax Friday the 28th will you have to tax it from the 1st of nov ?
And if so leave it to Monday the 1st dec

Edited by mm man, 24 November 2014 - 09:31 PM.

[grumpy2]

Interesting, askmid now shows the car as insured so the tax should be no problem. This is despite the insurance company starting cover from Friday. Everything looks ok then

Fingers crossed