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#1 sledgehammer

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Posted 19 September 2015 - 10:55 AM

http://www.msnbc.com...cid=sm_tw_msnbc

 

 

sounds like it runs a lean map for EPA testing

 

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The EPA accused VW of installing illegal “defeat device” software that dramatically reduces nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions

– but only when the cars are undergoing strict emission tests.

 

40 times the nox it is supposed to emit !!!

 

wonder how it's triggered ? bonnet up , or I think they plug in obd11 socket ?

 

are the euro cars the same ?


Edited by sledgehammer, 19 September 2015 - 10:57 AM.


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Posted 19 September 2015 - 10:58 AM

Pity their 'defeat device' can't be fitted to the mini  :shy:



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Posted 19 September 2015 - 11:09 AM

Just been on the BBC news.

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Posted 19 September 2015 - 11:36 AM

I'd be surprised if they are the only manufacturer doing this? I presume this is linked to the egr issues my van also had which costs over a grand to fix every time! 



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Posted 19 September 2015 - 11:50 AM

This is old news. Companies have been doing it for years. A lot of super car manufacturers (naively German and Italian) do it as it's the only way their cars will pass EU regs.

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Posted 19 September 2015 - 11:55 AM

This is old news. Companies have been doing it for years. A lot of super car manufacturers (naively German and Italian) do it as it's the only way their cars will pass EU regs.


But here we have VAG recalling 500,000 cars in the US.

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Posted 19 September 2015 - 11:56 AM

Jaguar F type exhausts are another example but my don't they sound great?!



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Posted 19 September 2015 - 11:59 AM

This is old news. Companies have been doing it for years. A lot of super car manufacturers (naively German and Italian) do it as it's the only way their cars will pass EU regs.


But here we have VAG recalling 500,000 cars in the US.

Then they have been naughty!

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Posted 19 September 2015 - 11:59 AM

Jaguar F type exhausts are another example but my don't they sound great?!


Only the V8 ;)

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Posted 19 September 2015 - 01:57 PM

There is some explanation of how it works here:
http://blog.caranddr...lions-in-fines/

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Posted 19 September 2015 - 07:35 PM

America just seems so odd to me sometimes.

 

Seems like they all want to run carburettors because their scared of injection in their massive 12 litre engines (putting out poor figures!) but go have a hissy fit at this.



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Posted 19 September 2015 - 11:06 PM

America just seems so odd to me sometimes.
 
Seems like they all want to run carburettors because their scared of injection in their massive 12 litre engines (putting out poor figures!) but go have a hissy fit at this.


Actually, all new cars have electronic FI due to emissions. However, the issue with the diesels is the particulate coming out of the exhaust.
Ironically, most new cars with petrol (gasoline) engines are using direct fuel injection similar to a diesel to improve fuel efficiency. These engines produce more particulate than regular petrol FI and therefore the tailpipes are black like a diesel. If the regulations become much tighter, the direct injection system will have problems like the diesel

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 12:16 AM

Pity their 'defeat device' can't be fitted to the mini  :shy:


They do, its called a massive air leak system, makes the whole range lean.

I think it funny when these big car manufacturers get busted fiddling stuff.
Also, as mentioned, its funny how the yanks are so pedantic when it comes to emissions and pullution but are quite happy to fang around in honking great trucks, ride monster motorcycles and use V8 powered hedge trimmers.

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 08:48 AM

 

America just seems so odd to me sometimes.
 
Seems like they all want to run carburettors because their scared of injection in their massive 12 litre engines (putting out poor figures!) but go have a hissy fit at this.


Actually, all new cars have electronic FI due to emissions. However, the issue with the diesels is the particulate coming out of the exhaust.
Ironically, most new cars with petrol (gasoline) engines are using direct fuel injection similar to a diesel to improve fuel efficiency. These engines produce more particulate than regular petrol FI and therefore the tailpipes are black like a diesel. If the regulations become much tighter, the direct injection system will have problems like the diesel

 

 

Are NASCAR still running carbs?

 

I know at work we have to COP test our new cars, an emission test with a few different tests depending on the vehicles intended territory.



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Posted 20 September 2015 - 01:52 PM


 

America just seems so odd to me sometimes.
 
Seems like they all want to run carburettors because their scared of injection in their massive 12 litre engines (putting out poor figures!) but go have a hissy fit at this.

Actually, all new cars have electronic FI due to emissions. However, the issue with the diesels is the particulate coming out of the exhaust.
Ironically, most new cars with petrol (gasoline) engines are using direct fuel injection similar to a diesel to improve fuel efficiency. These engines produce more particulate than regular petrol FI and therefore the tailpipes are black like a diesel. If the regulations become much tighter, the direct injection system will have problems like the diesel
 
 
Are NASCAR still running carbs?
 
I know at work we have to COP test our new cars, an emission test with a few different tests depending on the vehicles intended territory.

The top level NASCAR Sprint Cup cars hace FI. The lower levels intended for drivers to develop racing experience, use carbs.




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