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Should we stay in the eu?

  1. Yes (59 votes [34.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.91%

  2. No (104 votes [61.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 61.54%

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#976 r3k1355

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 11:10 AM

Surely if you publish an election manifesto, it sets out what the electorate voted for. Changing it within a few days almost amounts to fraud!

 

Although if you don't get a majority in parliament are you under any obligation to push forward with the entire manifesto?

 

Likewise the DUP only got 10 seats, but as part of the government coalition do they now get to pursue their manifesto if they want?



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Posted 13 June 2017 - 01:50 PM

This was a most strange election and fairly unique in our history.

 

We had the poorest Tory campaign in memory and we had a Labour party offering the un-fundable without major increased taxation of everyone and huge borrowings.

 

The Tories won with over 20% more seats than their main rivals, but with just a few seats short of a majority. Listening to Corbyn one might fail to understand it, but it is true. That's the way it works in the UK. Harold Wilson had a minority government and soldiered on for several years after entering a pact with the Liberals. Callaghan had this situation when he became PM. The policies were still mainly Labour ones (tax, spend & borrow) until he could no longer continue and called an election in 1979.

 

The strange things with this election were the Tory failure to properly campaign and Labour trying to bribe the various interest groups with obviously impossible offers.

 

Let's hope both of the main parties 'get real' before the next election - some hope!



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Posted 13 June 2017 - 02:36 PM

The Tory's especially need a heavy dose of reality, it's nothing short of pig-ignorance that put them in this position.



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Posted 13 June 2017 - 02:48 PM

The Tory's especially need a heavy dose of reality, it's nothing short of pig-ignorance that put them in this position.

 

I couldn't agree more with that sentiment. It was arrogance combined with stupidity from a small number who should know better.

 

Maybe that's what they needed to make them get their act together before the next inevitable general election within the next 12 to 18 months.



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Posted 13 June 2017 - 02:50 PM

I am still stunned that May is entertaining a DUP coaliton,

 

in terms of being able to afford the labour manefesto I suspect not having a goverment skimming the top off  at every opertuneity would go a long way toward this, that goes for both previous tory and Labour governments.



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Posted 13 June 2017 - 04:04 PM

I don't think she has any alternative.

 

No-one else is in a position to form a Gov't and we need a Gov't. It would be irresponsible of her to do anything else at this time. She won the most seats and if all the other parties combined in one great coalition they would not have a majority with which to govern.

 

It has happened before with the Labour-Liberal pact of the 1970's and the Tory-Lib.Dem pack of 2010. It not unprecedented under our system. It may well be the case that another GE is needed within 18 months or so, but right now the electorate is not in the mood for another immediate election. I think most ordinary folk are all 'electioned-out' for now and another immediate GE would be a bad thing for all parties. If it happened the Tories would modify their manifesto and probably have a new leader which would almost guarantee their winning a majority.

 

The Tories big mistakes were in not challenging Labour's 'money tree' spending plans and then causing concern amongst the pensioners. They won't do either of those things again. 



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Posted 13 June 2017 - 04:38 PM

Jeez! Was the tory lib dem debacle really 7 years ago!

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 06:31 PM

Yes, it was, and the Labour-Liberal shambles was 40 years ago.



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Posted 13 June 2017 - 10:58 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk...yshire-40119222

"Political reform and the rights of common people were fiercely debated but Lord Liverpool's Tory government - under the dissolute Prince Regent, George - met calls for change with prison, execution or transportation to the colonies."

"They faced a double whammy that the old aristocracy owned their homes, while the new industrial class owned their livelihoods."

"Without a shot being fired, the marchers fled. Despite this, some newspapers reported hundreds of well armed men on the rampage."

200 hundred years later, and we have barely moved on. The Tories, as they did then, care not for the poor, the working class. The rich continue to own the houses, private rents are at a ridiculous level (granted there are a few factors in this, helped not by governments selling off social/council housing dirt cheap), and a right wing media printing lies if it favours them.

Labour might not be perfect, but they are a damn site better option for the poorest and most vulnerable in our society.

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 12:05 PM

The Tories big mistakes were in not challenging Labour's 'money tree' spending plans



So what's your take on the 'money tree' now the Torys have found it?

While that's written sarcastically I am interested to hear what those in this thread who supported the Torys make of the DUP deal either from a societal or financial perspective?
 
I asked MIGLIACARS to help me understand the support for the Torys but he seems a bit backwards in coming forwards.



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Posted 27 June 2017 - 01:28 PM

I heard May was running through a field of wheat, while eating humble pie and stumbled across the magic tree of money.


Edited by r3k1355, 27 June 2017 - 01:28 PM.





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