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#46 hhhh

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Posted 11 September 2016 - 02:52 AM

Instead of "blaming" the extra force from higher ratio rockers and getting accelerated wear, why not reduce the spring rate proportionately to suit the higher ratio?

 

 

Instead of "blaming" the extra force from higher ratio rockers and getting accelerated wear, why not reduce the spring rate proportionately to suit the higher ratio?

Valve bounce?

 

Valve bounce occurs when the valve train inertia overcomes the spring pressure at a given RPM. If a higher ratio rocker is used, the spring has a higher leverage on the pushrod and lifter and therefore lower spring pressure is required to achieve the same RPM at which valve bounce will occur.



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Posted 11 May 2018 - 08:48 PM

A bit of a thread revival and a heads up.

 

Beware of some of the stuff being pedaled out there. This one has done less than 1000 km.

The Cam

 

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and the follower,,, supplied by the Cam Grinder

 

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I've seen this all a few times before and from the same shop,,,



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Posted 11 May 2018 - 09:15 PM

A bit of a thread revival and a heads up.
 
Beware of some of the stuff being pedaled out there. This one has done less than 1000 km.
The Cam
 
KbS3xrH.jpg
 
31ELbhy.jpg
 
eciYrCP.jpg
 
and the follower,,, supplied by the Cam Grinder
 
FPAZprs.jpg
 
 
I've seen this all a few times before and from the same shop,,,

Seriously! what the hell
How are people aloud to be in business and produce poo like this?

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Posted 11 May 2018 - 09:45 PM

Cricky!!!

 

I thought my old cam/followers were bad when it was stripped down but that is totally butchered!

 

 



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Posted 12 May 2018 - 07:49 PM

wow, thats really poor!!



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Posted 12 May 2018 - 08:24 PM

Have you ever tried to drill a cam follower from a genuine rover austin engine, there hard as *******, Even my lathe struggles to take the meat of the flat end. These must be monkey metal!



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Posted 12 May 2018 - 08:55 PM

Or a very bad 'shape' on the bottom.
I think I said this yesterdya too, why isn't anyone making roller cams for the mini? Might be hard on a 1275, but certainly doable on a 998 me thinks. ( tapper chest covers are ideal to fit those plates you need to stop the followers from rotating)



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Posted 12 May 2018 - 10:05 PM

because its not really practical to get a setup that works into the space available, check my post on page 3 regarding roller lifters.



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Posted 07 June 2019 - 08:20 AM

Why do most cam follower suppliers not give any specs about the hardness of the faces as this is rather important?

 

Is it because most people don't ask?



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Posted 07 June 2019 - 08:48 AM

I think it is because they don't know.

 

Once I had a conversation with one of the major suppliers. He said that when they place an order with a manufacturer they do specify such things as material specification and surface finish, heat treatment, etc. However, it is difficult for a vendor to carry out quality control checks on every batch. Doing so would seriously push up the sale price and, as we all know, most want the 'cheapest price possible'. We see it on here with people asking 'where are the cheapest ........ '?

 

I have always used the standard cam followers from Mini Spares and have never, ever had a cam follower failure. Maybe I have been lucky, but I have even run double valve springs and high-lift rockers at up to 7000 rpm with those followers with no issues.



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Posted 07 June 2019 - 08:58 AM

Yes I think you're right there about wanting the cheapest.

 

It's a part that we should insist on being of top verifiable quality as one bad follower can ruin an engine.



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Posted 07 June 2019 - 09:01 AM

Here are some links I've found on the subject for anyone interested:

 

http://www.lotuselan...?t=30196&start=

 

https://www.tr-regis...-cam-followers/

 

https://www.enginebu...er-of-the-year/

 

https://www.tapatalk...owers-t828.html

 

http://www.mgbmga.com/tech/mgb20.htm



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Posted 07 June 2019 - 09:48 AM

The problem for the vendors is how far to go with the inspection/quality control.

 

As an example you might take components being made by a third party for an aircraft. Every part has to have been individually inspected and have a 'Release Note' before being fitted. The materials also have to be checked on a 'batch inspection' basis with one out of every so-many having to be fully tested which then renders it scrap.

 

I worked as a design engineer on aviation products and when a drawing was issued it specified the exact materials, the dimensional tolerances, the surface finishes and any heat treatments required. Thus something like, say, an oil pump which costs around £20 for an A-Series engine would probably cost around £200 if it were to be inspected and released for an aeroplane.

 

How would a vendor have batch testing carried out? One way would be to find a local University with a materials laboratory and pay them to fully test, say, one in each 100 from a batch of components and to issue a 'certificate of compliance'. Of course, once those submitting quotations for the small volumes required (in manufacturing terms) realised that batch testing would be happening, their prices would go up as well. Thus your £20 oil pump would then cost a lot more and there are many who would then buy from a cheaper supplier The vendor of the 'quality checked' parts would sell even less and the prices would go up even more.

 

It is a vicious circle for those selling parts for classic cars since the volumes are so relatively low and it is all 'price driven' rather than 'quality driven'.






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