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#1 sledgehammer

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 11:30 AM

http://www.cityam.co...el-and-vauxhall

 

I loved Vauxhalls (Opel-GM)in the 80's ,liked them in the early 90's , now I feel they have gone down hill 

 

like so many cars blighted by weak parts , complicated electronics (sensors that fail for the sake of failing)

 

& a general awkwardness towards servicing / repair

 

I feel sad that they are being taken over by an even more un-reliable company peugeot / psa

 

in the 80's the engines were very good / easy to fix - which is just as important

 

now main engine components are failing due to cheap materials / poor design

 

often engines failing before any body problems - this is the reverse of the 80's when the body's rotted

 

now PSA have taken over , I feel they will disappear altogether

 

PSA made some of the BINI engines & some were poor at best 

 

It's almost like the UK car industry - (one of the largest in the world at one stage) is programmed to fail totally

 

just heard about the new range rover engines failing at low mileage - due to no tangs/location on the bearing shells

 

the shells spin blocking oil flow - how stupid is that

 

& body off for stupid engine faults

 

In summary - never let an accountant & engineer design something , get a mechanic & engineer to design it

 

fix cheap - fix twice

 

How many recent vehicle faults have you heard about that are down to a stupid engineer / accountant ?


Edited by sledgehammer, 04 March 2017 - 11:31 AM.


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Posted 04 March 2017 - 02:00 PM

Last Vauxhall I had was my nova sri fantastic little car,to be young again lol

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 03:27 PM

Last Vauxhall I had was my nova sri fantastic little car,to be young again lol

 

sri & gte were  both nice cars - apart from the hazard switch problem



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Posted 04 March 2017 - 04:07 PM

Based on Citreon track record of closing UK factories (they used to have one in Coventry) in order to protect their own in France during their sales decline, I would fear that, over time similar thing could happen to Vauxhall

Theoretically for all companies involved, joining forces isn't a bad idea as it allow you to pull resources and drastically reduce costs. Thing like sharing the chassis and floor pan architecture. All you would need to do is to design a chassis that can be easily increased in length to compensate to longer wheel bases. All large OEMs do this already and recently, in light of the diesel gate scandal, VW announced that Audi will now incorporate VW floor plans and scrap their own.

However, as we know Vauxhalls Plant isn't the newest so whilst they have committed support to keep the new Astra production their, you do wonder if PSA will pull the plug on its once it's finished...

Oh and let's not forget Brexit as BMW have announced that they are investigating plans to make the Electrical MINI production in Germany or in the Netherlands. I know that Oxford has a max volume capacity of 280,000 cars and they already build the 3 & 5 door models and clubman so their isn't much spare capacity. Meanwhile Nedcar build the convertible and 3 door along with Countryman models too. From memory they are a much larger plant, as they also build the G wagon for Mercedes. So they have spare capacity and vast experience / facilities to make more MINIs.
Let hope this doesn't spell the end for Oxford too.

Edited by jamesmpi, 04 March 2017 - 04:10 PM.


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Posted 04 March 2017 - 04:34 PM

Last Vauxhall I had was my nova sri fantastic little car,to be young again lol

 
sri & gte were  both nice cars - apart from the hazard switch problem
never happened to me, it did to the sisters sr though

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 05:58 PM

Can't see Vauxhall being around as a manufacturing site(s) in 2 years.

They will no longer be able to produce any cars as efficiently as they do now.

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 07:58 PM

Pity the workers can't do a "TRIUMPH" as in Triumph Motorcycles.

That way the Quality of the product improves to near 100%,so persuading more Brits to buy a "HOME GROWN" product.



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Posted 04 March 2017 - 10:16 PM

Congratulations to anyone who voted out!

You are to blame..

I do think this will be the end of vauxhall too why would they keep it, it costs money to have a separate brand..

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 10:28 PM

Congratulations to anyone who voted out!
You are to blame..
I do think this will be the end of vauxhall too why would they keep it, it costs money to have a separate brand..


Yes this is 100% caused by Brexit vote and what has happened since.

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 11:10 PM

Congratulations to anyone who voted out!

You are to blame..

I do think this will be the end of vauxhall too why would they keep it, it costs money to have a separate brand..


If it was such a bad deal for the PSA group why would they bother buying it in the first place?

Oh and opel have been making losses for long before the vote last year so it's a bit daft to say Brexit is primarily to blame

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 11:11 PM

Congratulations to anyone who voted out!
You are to blame..
I do think this will be the end of vauxhall too why would they keep it, it costs money to have a separate brand..


If it was such a bad deal for the PSA group why would they bother buying it in the first place?
Oh and opel have been making losses for long before the vote last year so it's a bit daft to say Brexit is primarily to blame

Lol. You know nothing.

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 11:17 PM

Good counterargument there. Well done

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 11:32 PM

Congratulations to anyone who voted out!
You are to blame..
I do think this will be the end of vauxhall too why would they keep it, it costs money to have a separate brand..

Yes this is 100% caused by Brexit vote and what has happened since.
How can Brexit be blamed for 19 years of continuous losses. The following is an extract from a commentary on GM's accounts. Before taxes and excluding one-time items, GM Europe lost $257 million in 2016, $813 million in 2015, $1.37 billion in 2014, $869 million in 2013, $1.8 billion in 2012, $747 million in 2011...and on and on, all the way back to the late 1990s. GM has continually under invested in Europe and tried to sell the European operation in 2009; long before Brexit.

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 11:44 PM

Losses. Sure. On paper. Would you not want to pay any taxes where you had a preferential deal. Would want to put all the development costs in an area where it would be better for you.

I can tell you 100% that Brexit had brought about this sale.

with in weeks it messed up development time tables. And now this.

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 11:45 PM

Good counterargument there. Well done


No need to. When you are there.




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