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#76 paulrockliffe

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 03:43 PM

 

 

 

That's a little confusing, is a new fibreglass shell that improves safety, efficiency, preservation and environmental performance by virtue of not rusting or having seams OK?

 

I guess having the change on the V5 will trump anything else, but a kit car that looks like the base car could be a bit of a grey area now.

I assume its still the same as the 8 point rule for retaining a vehicle identity, the bodyshell has to be same type as the original (i.e. steel), new, and made by the original manufacturer or their successor.

 

I'm afraid no matter which way you look at it a fibreglass shell is a kitcar in the eyes of the regulations and needs an IVA and then presumably an MOT until its been in existence in its modified form for 40 years.

 

I'm not bothered about the MOT one way or the other, my concern is/was only that the rules aren't applied in a way that forces me to prove when the modifications were done as although my car is legal I would find it difficult to prove to the standard that I've seen applied in other cases.

 

My car passed the 8 point rule when it was registered and retained it's 1969 identity.  I think you may be confusing that rule with the newer rules around radically altered vehicles, which would catch a new Minus conversion, but was obviously not applied retrospectively.  

 

This was in the statement on Page 4 of the thread; "We are aware that many people have been confused by the potential use of existing DVLA rules, which is not now going to happen, into thinking this change relates to registration."  The 8 point rule is about registration rather than VHI.  

 

That statement was fairly clear, in so far as it could be, that I'd need an MOT because it was a kit car, but the latest statement suggests you could have made modifications in certain areas to improve the car and retained VHI status.  It's not clear that that excludes improvements to the body where the overall form is largely unaltered.  It's very unusual for a kit-car to retain the original shape or form as normally kits were used to build something different. 

 

I suspect on balance the deciding factor would be that if it was re-registered then it must have been a kit car, so it's not a Mini anymore, so it needs an MOT.  But I'm certainly a lot less clear about that now.

 

 

Would you be intending on getting it MOT'd annually anyway? If yes, then carry on as you are and don't apply for the VHI status. Problem solved!

 

With something like a minus I'd be inclined to say don't rock the boat and carry on as you are. You never know what can of worms you might open if you invite someone to make an assessment / decision on it.

 

 

Honestly, no probably not.  I'd maybe have the brakes tested occasionally, but the rest is either not covered by the MOT in enough detail or obvious when there's a problem and would be fixed before an MOT. 

 

I'm not fussed one way or the other whether the MOT is required, just interested in what the proper application of the rules is.  I think the answer would be that it gets deferred to an expert who could decide either way.  You're right about not rocking boats though and the clarification on road tax makes that a lot easier.



#77 Trissy B

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 07:54 AM

My Dad sent me this link that someone found and posted on the Club Triumph forum. Looks interesting and slightly different to what was posted here last week:

 

https://www.gov.uk/g...ge-guidance.pdf



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Posted 18 February 2018 - 02:25 PM

My Dad sent me this link that someone found and posted on the Club Triumph forum. Looks interesting and slightly different to what was posted here last week:
 
https://www.gov.uk/g...ge-guidance.pdf


This seems to be what they will now be using in May. Good news for the majority of mini owners, looks to be a sensible and easy to understand set of guidelines.

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Posted 18 February 2018 - 02:50 PM

Just got my breakdown assistance renewal notice and in the T&Cs (which to be fair are pretty straightforward) there is a clause requiring the car to have an MoT. The insurers are happy to provide cover for historic cars, in my case they just expect me to have an MoT. I guess we're all going to have to keep a watchful eye on the wording of insurance and other motoring-related policies. I'm not convinced whether in the event of a claim the suggestion that historic cars don't need an MoT will cut much ice if this was a condition of the policy. Just a thought.

#80 HUBBA.HUBBA

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Posted 27 February 2018 - 06:40 PM

Just had my van Mot'd today and took the opportunity to quiz them (which I'm sure they appreciated). I said I still wanted my car regularly checked for road worthiness like brake performance etc. I said I would just pay them to do an unofficial check. But he did to be honest it would be cheaper to have an mot still as it is VAT exempt. So I'm just going to have my MOTs as normal.

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 11:33 AM

Now that ruling seems like a sensible and reasonable outcome.






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