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#46 Itsaminithing

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 11:31 AM

jesus christ people... jusy look at your selves !!!! unbelivable. is this what TMF has turned into ???

 

look at the car... have you ever seen a standard sportspack mini fill its front arches that much ???

 

he says it has spacers... and hes talking about the front, not rear. spacers will increase the offset of the wheels and cause these exact syptoms.

 

simple answer... first thing first, remove the front spacers and go from there.

 

if the spacers are NOT on the front then again... clarify this first. get the facts and assess the problem not ramble on and on about suspenshion geometry and bloody irrelevant names on V5's

 

what the hell are you people talking about :dozing:

 

 

Hmm irrelevant names on V5s when were trying to establish if it's started life as a genuine sports pack with the correct parts to stop this problem? Ok.

I agree with both of you....

Anorak it definitely looks like it's fitted with front spacers -so it will catch the front wing (as will the ride height being lower than it should).

The OP hasn't visited the site since his post so we can't go any further with investigating the cause of his problem -however other people with the same issue will see this thread & If their MPI wasn't a factory fitted Sports Pack version & hasn't got a limited travel rack then it will rub on the bulkhead (even without spacers) so it's useful to know if a V5 contains this information. (& No it doesn't).



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Posted 20 January 2018 - 12:22 PM

Whats written on the v5 means nothing. Remember the mini sky rose or the mini racing flame !!!

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 12:47 PM

jesus christ people... jusy look at your selves !!!! unbelivable. is this what TMF has turned into ???

 

look at the car... have you ever seen a standard sportspack mini fill its front arches that much ???

 

he says it has spacers... and hes talking about the front, not rear. spacers will increase the offset of the wheels and cause these exact syptoms.

 

simple answer... first thing first, remove the front spacers and go from there.

 

if the spacers are NOT on the front then again... clarify this first. get the facts and assess the problem not ramble on and on about suspenshion geometry and bloody irrelevant names on V5's

 

what the hell are you people talking about :dozing:

Read this enormous thread................Anorak,  you sir , are a legend ! for that reply........ and I'm not just saying that because you live near me ?



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Posted 20 January 2018 - 12:49 PM

If the op comes back and says the v5 states mini cooper how many people are gonna claim its not a factory sportspack... you just cant tell from the v5.
So until the op comes back we have some stupid competition as to who can come up with the most ott answer to a very simple problem. By the time he does return to the topic the poor chap is gonna need a new shell ???!!!

After market spaces and worn suspension cones and an idiot garage owner is the most likely cause of the problem.

Remove spacers and go from there... end of

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 03:47 PM

Minispares did sell a 5J Sportspack style rim at one point in the late 90s. Different offsets. They are distinctly different though where the centre caps fit.

Edited by Sprocket, 20 January 2018 - 03:50 PM.


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Posted 20 January 2018 - 04:09 PM

If the op comes back and says the v5 states mini cooper how many people are gonna claim its not a factory sportspack... you just cant tell from the v5.
So until the op comes back we have some stupid competition as to who can come up with the most ott answer to a very simple problem. By the time he does return to the topic the poor chap is gonna need a new shell ???!!!

After market spaces and worn suspension cones and an idiot garage owner is the most likely cause of the problem.

Remove spacers and go from there... end of


I'm not gonna claim anything, I was hoping the other way around might be true so as the chances of the rack being correct and the wheels being the correct offset for the arches but now your xray vision has confirmed the travel of the rack and the casting of the wheel offset from the tiny pictures there's no need to bother :D

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 04:21 PM

travel of rack has nothing to do with it AT THIS STAGE.

 

the OP claims the car has spacers... are these on the front ??? looking at the photo...YES

 

fitting spacers has the SAME effect as fitting wheels with a larger offset.

 

add this to very worn front cones....

 

symptoms of this ??? EXACTLY WHAT THE OP HAS DESCRIBED. !!!!!

 

why the hell are you people trying to find a problem that is not there ???

 

is there some kind of Dick bashing contest going on to see who can come up with the most drivel in relation to suspension geometry ????


Edited by THE ANORAK, 20 January 2018 - 04:23 PM.


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Posted 20 January 2018 - 04:51 PM

I dunno, why does it upset you so much? why can't we pontificate whilst we wait for the OP to return? :)

Edited by CityEPete, 20 January 2018 - 05:27 PM.


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Posted 20 January 2018 - 05:18 PM

That's it, I'm going to return those adjustable camber lower arms I wasted my money on and getting some adjustable camber knuckles and adjustable camber cones like I should have in the first place. O_O



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Posted 20 January 2018 - 11:21 PM

Hi All,

 

Im so sorry for the late reply. When i posted my last message it showed an error, so i didn't think it had been sent. Just logged on tonight and found all your Amazing replies. I didn't even get a notification saying people had posted. 

 

 

So the update.......

 

Got a pretty large list of parts required from the garage. Including a clutch, clutch pedal, clutch slave, header tank, water pump, radius arms, oil pressure switch and wheel bearing. Most of these bits i kind of expected, the only thing that causing me issues are the wheels. All the parts are now on order from Mini Spares, Mini Sport and Somerford Mini. 

 

So it looks like mine may not be a full on sports - I only have the clock in the walnut dash and not the other two additions. Also just one set of spot lamps. I do believe the arches are Rover fitted, as the mechanic pointed out the thicker edge on the arches. He seemed to think they were genuine. One slight curve ball is the front end. I know the front panel has been replaced as they fitted the wrong one!  The corners don't quite fit and have been badly bodged to fit up to the arches. It is strong, so something i will have replaced at some point.

 

With regards to the wheels, they do look genuine from the front and i haven't had a chance to get them off yet. However, i did briefly have a look behind with an inspection mirror and couldn't see any rover markings. The wheels are in pretty poor condition though and two of the tyres are bald, So i guess it would make more sense to replace them. Only thing is, what do i replace them with. The other strange thing is black circles (An online tyre supplier if you don't know) list my registration as having 12" wheel as standard, and they are usually pretty accurate. 

 

The car is back with me for the moment while i wait for the part to arrive. Im planning to do some more investigating tomorrow. I know there are front spacers and rear spacers (in addition to the drum spacers) fitted to my car, so its all starting to smell a little fishy. With regards to the camber, MiniSport did mention that it might have negative camber robs fitted, which looks very likely as that should be the only thing to effect the camber, and there is nothing to adjust. 

 

The plan is to get the garage to sort out the basics to make him road worthy, then get to a proper mini specialist to help me out. Only thing is i need to sort the wheels out first because of the bald tyres. 

 

ukcooper - Log book says Cooper. I didn't think they said sport pack? 

miniireland - I think its just these negative camber rods fitted.

Itsaminithing - thanks for the link, not quite sure how they fit, but i do plan on investigating. Genuinely not sure what i have, as the arches look genuine Rover fitted, but the other bits you mention are missing. 

midasmk1 - thanks for that - might explain black circles 12" option. 

tmsmini - 175 / 50 / R13 / 72v

To everyone who said change the garage - Yep thats the plan as soon as they make hime drivable again. I can do basic mechanics, but i made a deal with my wife that i would let the garage make the car safe and roadworthy before really using him. My last Mini was pretty rough, so she wants this one safe (as a mini can be lol) 

 

To everyone else - thank you all for the comments - please keep the help coming and i will defiantly respond quicker :-)

 

 

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 11:36 PM

Hey hope you get it sorted, whatever model it is, it looks great and once you get the fouling fixed then enjoy, springs coming :)

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 12:20 AM

Thanks Haygate - Once the previous owners bodge jobs have been fixed, i will feel much happier. 

 

Sorry i missed a couple of bits from my last post.

 

Spacers - This car has front and rear spacers in addition to the built in drum spacers. 

Camber - looks worse in the flesh and really obvious when following the mini in another car. 

Front shocks - forgot to mention these have had it and are on order - This may effect some of my issues.

 

Thanks again for all the help and advice so far - will keep you posted. 



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Posted 21 January 2018 - 09:57 AM

Remove the front spacers. Now. You run the potential risk of your wheels only being held on by a few turns of the wheel nut.

I see once again the forum arguing over the exact same issue and both people being right. Long and short of it is the camber angle is directly proportional to the ride height of the car. Worn cones and knuckles = lower car, therefore camber will be out unless you have adjustable bottom arms. This will be exacerbatedisually by the excess offset from the wheel spacers.

All this arguing, and not a single sight of Tiger99! I'm amazed.

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 05:33 PM

Remove the front spacers. Now. You run the potential risk of your wheels only being held on by a few turns of the wheel nut.

I see once again the forum arguing over the exact same issue and both people being right. Long and short of it is the camber angle is directly proportional to the ride height of the car. Worn cones and knuckles = lower car, therefore camber will be out unless you have adjustable bottom arms. This will be exacerbatedisually by the excess offset from the wheel spacers.

All this arguing, and not a single sight of Tiger99! I'm amazed.

I hate to do this (not really, heh heh) but the part I bolded above is not true. For camber to be directly proportional to ride height it would have to be a linear relationship which is impossible with unequal length, non-parallel control arms. But I think your intent was to say that camber (what I termed "instantaneous" camber to distinguish it from the specification used when setting the lower arm apparatus for the chosen ride height) is always changing with ride height. I wouldn't describe this as the camber being "out" by any stretch of the imagination.

 

The camber will be reacting exactly as the designer intended in response to suspension position. It is in fact the ride height being "out", not the camber. If you want to fix a problem, you don't adjust the symptom to suit the problem (that's what modern medical doctors do); you fix the problem, and the symptom will disappear as expected, and as desired.



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Posted 21 January 2018 - 06:41 PM

There's an imagine I'm trying to find that shows the link.

Edited by Steve220, 21 January 2018 - 06:42 PM.





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