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Posted 10 May 2018 - 07:06 AM
Posted 10 May 2018 - 08:34 AM
I bought a Mini with a 1275 Metro engine fitted but details of the original 998 engine on the V5. So to keep everything straight, I applied to DVLA to notify them of a change of engine. It took 5 months to get it sorted, despite me contacting the previous owner and getting pictures of the engine, showing the engine number, in the original Metro donor car, showing number plates. The school leaver that I was dealing with just kept sending my old V5 back with no explanation. She would not respond to the email address shown on her first refusal letter and I could not get to speak to her on the phone. She finally suggested that I go to an "Austin dealer" and get them to confirm in writing that the new engine was indeed made by Austin and confirm the the engine number that I had stated was correct. I finally paid an MG/Rover specialist £25.00 to check the engine number and write me a two line letter on his headed paper.
How you would get on fitting another engine make entirely, I think would depend on which "Moron" at DVLA you are unfortunate enough to get.
Posted 10 May 2018 - 08:35 AM
Posted 10 May 2018 - 09:37 AM
Posted 10 May 2018 - 10:41 AM
Might not be a true classic though, might just be a late 90's Sprite or something.
No real crime ripping one of those apart and doing what you want with it.
Posted 10 May 2018 - 11:03 AM
Might not be a true classic though, might just be a late 90's Sprite or something.
No real crime ripping one of those apart and doing what you want with it.
I agree. I mean, do things like Project Binky make sense? Probably not - there are far cheaper and easier ways to go quick, but you pay your money and take your choice. All part of the fun of a project.
So long as the early/special cars are not butchered of course!
Posted 10 May 2018 - 12:49 PM
Really want to get a mini, they're cheap, parts are everywhere in comparison to other classics, and the price of insurance is (I'm not kidding) £4200 per year less than other cars that I've been looking at to restore but the huge problem I can see is the engine and transmition if I do get one. How many hoops would I be expected to jump through to register a mini if I put another non-standard engine in with other modifications down the line like better brakes, suspension and axles etc? The DVLA website is pish at explaining it and just directs me to look at form after form after form.
I've heard of people needing to do an 8 hour road worthy test, but that isn't mentioned anywhere on the DVLA website, just stuff about many different inspections... to make sure that the wheels aren't on backwards I assume.
Thanks for any info, this red-tape is a nightmare to deal with.
Why do you think that the engine and transmition is "huge problem"?
The block might need a re-bore and the crank might need a re-grind, but all the parts go together like a Lego toy (OK, like Meccano).
Unlike restoring bodywork, they aren't rusty and don't need welding or painting.
Apart from the 'Traffic Lights Grand Prix' and overtaking, you cant use 120 Bhp in a mini. On our roads, 80Bhp is sufficient and you have to be quite skilled to make full use of 100.
If you have set your mind on a CLASSIC car, the more you do to it, the less classic it quickly becomes. There are subtle things that you can do to the suspension, maybe enhanced front brakes or an anti roll bar, which are easily reversible, but once you have skimmed 1/8th" off the head, you can't put it back.
If you can manage on a 110Bhp pittance the transmition is perfectly adequate and the larger bearings of a 1275 Gt engine leave it unstressed if lightly supercharged with the standard cam, and there is all that lovely extra torque.
A bonus is, that like adding four pot alluminium calipers, a supercharger is a "bolt on goody" that can be easily removed.
Posted 10 May 2018 - 12:55 PM
Really want to get a mini, they're cheap, parts are everywhere in comparison to other classics, and the price of insurance is (I'm not kidding) £4200 per year less than other cars that I've been looking at to restore but the huge problem I can see is the engine and transmition if I do get one. How many hoops would I be expected to jump through to register a mini if I put another non-standard engine in with other modifications down the line like better brakes, suspension and axles etc? The DVLA website is pish at explaining it and just directs me to look at form after form after form.
I've heard of people needing to do an 8 hour road worthy test, but that isn't mentioned anywhere on the DVLA website, just stuff about many different inspections... to make sure that the wheels aren't on backwards I assume.
Thanks for any info, this red-tape is a nightmare to deal with.
Why do you think that the engine and transmition is "huge problem"?
The block might need a re-bore and the crank might need a re-grind, but all the parts go together like a Lego toy (OK, like Meccano).
Unlike restoring bodywork, they aren't rusty and don't need welding or painting.
Apart from the 'Traffic Lights Grand Prix' and overtaking, you cant use 120 Bhp in a mini. On our roads, 80Bhp is sufficient and you have to be quite skilled to make full use of 100.
If you have set your mind on a CLASSIC car, the more you do to it, the less classic it quickly becomes. There are subtle things that you can do to the suspension, maybe enhanced front brakes or an anti roll bar, which are easily reversible, but once you have skimmed 1/8th" off the head, you can't put it back.
If you can manage on a 110Bhp pittance the transmition is perfectly adequate and the larger bearings of a 1275 Gt engine leave it unstressed if lightly supercharged with the standard cam, and there is all that lovely extra torque.
A bonus is, that like adding four pot alluminium calipers, a supercharger is a "bolt on goody" that can be easily removed.
Solid advice. That's where I'm going with mine - a mild swiftune cam kit and lightened flywheel kit. A small amount of headwork at the same time as a general engine & box rebuild to make sure everything is nice and strong. X pin diff, maniflow LCB and system, K&N element etc. Then I'll have a solid engine with reasonable 'usable' power without having spent a fortune. And if I'm desperate for more power down the line, I'll have a good basis for bolting on a Vmaxscart supercharger kit or similar.
Posted 10 May 2018 - 07:32 PM
Might not be a true classic though, might just be a late 90's Sprite or something.
No real crime ripping one of those apart and doing what you want with it.
Posted 10 May 2018 - 10:50 PM
Posted 11 May 2018 - 01:05 PM
Might not be a true classic though, might just be a late 90's Sprite or something.
No real crime ripping one of those apart and doing what you want with it.
That's what people thought about ripping mk2 escorts apart as they would never be worth anything, or butchering capris that were only a 2.0 litre version, xr2s etc etc
All old Fords though. Old Ford = Money.
Whats the going rate for a 1960's Escort?? Like £5000 for a resto project? £10,000 for something abit tidy?
What the going rate for a Austin 1300?? Dick-all last time anyone cared enough to check.
Posted 11 May 2018 - 07:05 PM
Posted 11 May 2018 - 07:35 PM
This is intended to point you in the right direction.
You can do quite a lot as long as you don't start chopping and bending the bodyshell too much.
From the legality point of view I wouldn't be any more bothered about fitting an engine other than a transverse A Series. Besides the chopping, getting half usable gear ratios when you've reduced the rolling radius with dinky Mini wheels could be harder and more costly.
Minis can handle a lot more power than they were designed for. Whether you need more than can be got from well tested ways of tuning the engine they came with to get the maximum enjoyment is debatable.
Posted 11 May 2018 - 09:04 PM
One of the best classic Minis in terms of driving fun is an 850 with a standard engine and transmission. It is the true iconic Mini and drives the way a 1960's car should.
It is retro-driving as it should be. All the charm, dreams and driving fun of those far off days are there in an 850.
i know that if I want to go fast, I get into my modern car which will give a 0 - 60 time of around 7 seconds and a top speed (in Germany) of 150 mph. It is doing 84 mph at 2000 rpm in 6th with smoothness, safety and reliability.
But if and when I want the fun of driving as it used to be I get into my Mk.1 and go out in the lanes. My Mini is worth many times what my daily driver is and will increase in value so long as I don't ruin it. The 1964 850 I am restoring will be equally iconic.
If you want modern performance and reliability, then buy a modern car. It will be far cheaper to buy/re-build, maintain and run than any old classic car.
If you want relatively slow retro driving, then you can't beat a classic old Mini.
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