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#1 Chris1992

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Posted 14 May 2018 - 09:21 PM

Hi guys, so I've done a few searches on the forum for this already and was surprised the I couldn't find an answer, so here I am.

 

When I get up to about 55-60mph, I start to get a fair bit of steering wheel wobble. I used to run 13x7 banded steels, which I had balanced twice with no joy, I now have 13x7 3 piece force racing wheels balanced with with brand new yokos, still no joy! I also have KAD billet alloy front hubs with brand new metro ball joints. As well as this, I've had a good look at my top and bottom arms, steering column, drive shafts, etc, but just can't find anything wrong, and nothing is loose. At first I thought maybe I have a warped disk, but I get no juddering under braking, and the disks look just fine.

 

Has anyone else had this problem, and can maybe shed some light n the subject? 

 

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Posted 14 May 2018 - 09:44 PM

It could be a drive flange, Jack the front wheels in the and give them a spin, looking for any wobble or running off centre.

 

I recall one chap on another forum replaced everything in the front end, one part at a time and it did eventually go when he replaced one of the hubs, why this would be the cause, I'm unsure and he didn't look any further.

 

They are big wheels that you are running and so it wouldn't take much at all to upset the apple cart.



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Posted 14 May 2018 - 10:00 PM

It could be a drive flange, Jack the front wheels in the and give them a spin, looking for any wobble or running off centre.

 

I recall one chap on another forum replaced everything in the front end, one part at a time and it did eventually go when he replaced one of the hubs, why this would be the cause, I'm unsure and he didn't look any further.

 

They are big wheels that you are running and so it wouldn't take much at all to upset the apple cart.

 

OK thanks mate, will give that a try tomorrow! 



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Posted 14 May 2018 - 11:27 PM

The favourite will be the steering rack...

 

On a four post ramp with swivel pads under each wheel--- someone waggling the steering a fraction back and forth and someone good underneath should trace it.

 

Rack and pinion, rack arm inner joints and track rod ends all need to be perfect

 

Wheels of that size increase the loads on things a lot, non of the components were designed for that, and the weakest link will be enphasized more with bigger heavier wheels



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Posted 06 June 2018 - 07:13 PM

bumping this as I'm still having issues! Just to recap, I've checked track rod ends, hubs, top arms, bottom arms, tie rods, bearings, steering rack, subframe mounts, and all seems to be in good order. I also have brand new wheels and tyres which were balanced not too long ago when the tyres were fitted. They don't appear to have lost any weights. All that's left is my drive shafts and inner cv joints. What are the chances of these being the issue, and how can I test them? As drive shafts are quite expensive I don't want to replace them if I don't have to. I't booked in to have the tracking and wheels balancing done again, but other than what I've mentioned I'm all out of ideas!  :( I've heard that on-car wheel balancing is a thing, but does anyone know anywhere in the north essex/cambridge area that offer this service?

 

edit: I've just been investigating the pot joints and driveshafts. If I grab the driveshafts there is some up-and-down movement, as well as in-and-out movement on both side. This happens when the car is on the ground as well as in the air. Thoughts? 


Edited by Chris1992, 06 June 2018 - 07:32 PM.


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Posted 06 June 2018 - 08:24 PM

Is it a steering wobble, or a vibration?

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 10:08 PM

unlikely to be drive shafts as their diameter is so much smaller than the wheel. I think the suggestion about a drive flange issue is more likely, as the wheel attaches to it. I have had many people fail to balance mini wheels properly though, so it could always still be that. 



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Posted 06 June 2018 - 10:30 PM

unlikely to be drive shafts as their diameter is so much smaller than the wheel. I think the suggestion about a drive flange issue is more likely, as the wheel attaches to it. I have had many people fail to balance mini wheels properly though, so it could always still be that. 

 Ok thanks mate, drive flanges will be my next port of call if all else fails. What would make new ones any more accurate than  my current ones though? 

 

Is it a steering wobble, or a vibration?

 

It's definitely a steering wobble mate. 



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Posted 07 June 2018 - 12:56 AM

If it makes you feel any better, I'm having a very similar problem with my Racing Green Mini, I have been all thru the front end - new everything in the suspension, I also swapped wheels with a guy running 12's on his car - same issue, same speeds. Mine begins around 45-46 mph and goes away at 52-55 mph. Same issue, a very pronounced wobble.....

 

The only thing left are the axles.......



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Posted 07 June 2018 - 02:28 AM

Do you have any play in the steering wheel when stopped? It could possibly be poor splines from the hub to the steering column, or where the column meets the rack. 



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Posted 07 June 2018 - 05:54 AM

Ire the front tie rod mounts securely fastened to the subframe? Have you had the caster setting checked?

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Posted 07 June 2018 - 09:40 AM

Don't discount a bent drive shaft, one will give a very similar feeling to out off balance wheels, occuring at similar speeds as well.
Mine does this thanks to a clumsy previous owner / garage jacking it up on the drive shaft.

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Posted 07 June 2018 - 10:27 AM

Have you rotated and checked the wheels for run-out (wobble) while on a jack?

Do the same with it in 1st gear with the engine running - taking suitable safety precautions of course.

 

When you take it down for a wheel balance & alignment,m be sure to let them know and ask them to look.



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Posted 07 June 2018 - 11:25 AM

I had the same with my 7x13 it was all over the road. I changed my subframe mounts and it was around 50% better so I then took one further and solid mounted it and it’s around 80% better,handles better too. my original mounts where really worn causing the subby to twist all over the place. But I’ve spoken to a couple of people who get a bit of wonder with bigger wheels.

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Posted 07 June 2018 - 05:48 PM

Do you have any play in the steering wheel when stopped? It could possibly be poor splines from the hub to the steering column, or where the column meets the rack. 

 

None at all, but I will check the splines! 

 

Ire the front tie rod mounts securely fastened to the subframe? Have you had the caster setting checked?

 

They seem to be. I actually have no idea what the caster is, but it's booked in for a full alignment saturday morning, so i will make sure it's set correctly.

 

Have you rotated and checked the wheels for run-out (wobble) while on a jack?

Do the same with it in 1st gear with the engine running - taking suitable safety precautions of course.

 

When you take it down for a wheel balance & alignment,m be sure to let them know and ask them to look.

 

I have, and they do seem to be spinning slightly off center, as are the drive shafts and diff pot joints. How much run out is acceptable for a mini? Or should there be absolutely none at all? 

 

I had the same with my 7x13 it was all over the road. I changed my subframe mounts and it was around 50% better so I then took one further and solid mounted it and it’s around 80% better,handles better too. my original mounts where really worn causing the subby to twist all over the place. But I’ve spoken to a couple of people who get a bit of wonder with bigger wheels.

 

My subby is already solid mounted  :unsure: The slight wondering doesn't bother me really, its just this bloody wobble I need to get sorted! lol






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