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#1 SteveeR

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 06:45 AM

Good morning all,

 

This weekend I've been offered a Mini which has a full Fiberglass chassis which has used a doner car that was a Mini 1000 1979. Currently it is still registered as such on the V5 but does have an MOT/Taxed.

 

What would be needed to get the V5 changed to either show Mini Minus/Sprint? To do so would it need validating by a Mini club member or a Mini Minus club member? Thanks guys!



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Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:01 AM

possible world of pain.

 

many were done just as you say back in the day when things were easier/lax.

 

this means you could well have to go through the full current test requirements for Kit cars/etc



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Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:37 AM

Did have that thought in my head about going the kit car route. Especially with the clamp down on 'nice' MOT testers coming in this month who would let previous stuff pass like the fiberglass body.

 

Like above I think the easiest way would be to get a Mini club to verify it as a Sprint (not sure if anything else would also need to be done?) but due to it being a shell and a donor I'm not sure if they would due to it not being an original production... Confused right now! haha



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Posted 15 May 2018 - 09:42 AM

My understanding of the rules:

 

Is there a way to prove what was done when?  You may well need a lot of evidence because the DVLA will start from the point of view that if they're only being told today, it was done today.  Which means todays rules apply, which means a whole world of pain.

 

The second thing that might be a problem is that if it was done a while ago it retains its current registration (rather than a Q etc) because it still had enough points under the 8 point rule.  Over time things get changed or replaced and it's easy to lose more points to the point where it should be re-registered.  Again under today's rules.

 

Is there any clear guidance on that second point?  Eg my Minus was correctly registered as a kit car with the DVLA and retained it's registration, I can't work out what I can and can't change now without having to go through the IVA.  Realistically the only thing that would get picked up is an engine/subframe swap, but I don't know if that would be enough to trigger an IVA on my car, where it wouldn't on a steel Mini.



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Posted 15 May 2018 - 09:54 AM

No paperwork or even photographic history of the car before/during the rebuild. It was build as a hillclimb car originally so he didn't keep any records as it was never going to be road registered. The current owner has MOT'd as a normal Mini 1000 which also shows on the V5, it has passed but I cant imagine it would pass 99% of MOT stations...

 

Due to the fact I'm clueless on kitcar rules and regulations and taking into account the above I think I may swerve this one however if anyone is interested let me know and I'll put you in touch. Think I'll stick to a 'Genuine' shell for now!



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Posted 15 May 2018 - 05:58 PM

You are allowed to put a car in a replacement shell and as long as all other parts are from one donor then it’s identity can be retained by the points system, years ago I know someone who put a Sierra into an escort cosworth motorsport shell and was no problem. Not sure how you get on without a receipt for the shell but may be worth a phone call to dvla to find out, if it was done years ago then may not be a problem.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 06:51 PM

With the points system, loss of the shell alone disqualifies the car from retaining original numnerplate. Unless you can demonstrate the history of the car you are in Q plate/IVA teritory.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 07:50 PM

You are allowed to put a car in a replacement shell and as long as all other parts are from one donor then its identity can be retained by the points system, years ago I know someone who put a Sierra into an escort cosworth motorsport shell and was no problem. Not sure how you get on without a receipt for the shell but may be worth a phone call to dvla to find out, if it was done years ago then may not be a problem.

That stopped in something like 1983 when using a second hand shell, now you'd use the identity of the donor providing the body.

Motorsports people interpret the rules as they see fit anyway, lol.

Edited by CityEPete, 15 May 2018 - 07:57 PM.


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Posted 15 May 2018 - 07:55 PM

With the points system, loss of the shell alone disqualifies the car from retaining original numnerplate. Unless you can demonstrate the history of the car you are in Q plate/IVA teritory.



A Fibreglass body even with a receipt wouldn't be classed as a like for like body anyway would it, being a monocoque you'd struggle to register it imo, I think it would depend on who processed it at the dvla rather than how well built it is now!

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:01 PM

Depends on when it was done, if it was pre 1988 and you can prove it then you may be able to continue to use the car and have the details changed to match (though a sprint and a Minus are completely different vehicles) but this will depend on who you get at the DVLA / what evidence you have. 



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Posted 17 May 2018 - 06:10 PM

With the points system, loss of the shell alone disqualifies the car from retaining original numnerplate. Unless you can demonstrate the history of the car you are in Q plate/IVA teritory.

 

There are enough points in the rest of the car to allow you to retain the registration.  



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Posted 17 May 2018 - 07:54 PM


With the points system, loss of the shell alone disqualifies the car from retaining original numnerplate. Unless you can demonstrate the history of the car you are in Q plate/IVA teritory.

 
There are enough points in the rest of the car to allow you to retain the registration.  

Nope

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 07:55 PM

From the dvla website

"5 of these points must come from having the original or new and unmodified chassis, monocoque bodyshell or frame."

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:25 AM

Hmmmm, not sure how I've misremembered that.  The rules hasn't changed since it was brought in has it?

 

My car is correctly registered with the DVLA, but it also has the original registration number, which it sounds like couldn't have happened under the 8 point rule.  Perhaps the conversion predates the rule.  It's quite annoying that the knob that sold me the car never bothered to forward on all the build documentation that he claimed to have.



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 10:48 AM

I suppose they could have regarded a new fibreglass shell as a direct replacement like a heritage shell.




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