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#1 leadly

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 07:45 PM

Hello everyone,

 

So I picked my mini up yesterday from a local-ish specialist who have been doing bits and bobs on my car for quite a few years now. I've always been happy with the work and the service they offer.

 

Long story short, it failed its MOT on rusty outer sills / floor. Was offered a cheap option to bodge it but have to re-address the rot next year, or expensive option to do it correctly. 

 

Having saved an "emergency car fund" for such occasions, i opted for the expensive option.

 

Work started, plenty of photos received, old crusty / patched outer sills removed, a few repairs using sections of readily available panels to the foot well and inner sills. Happy days. Outer sills go on, pictures received, all looks good.

 

So I got to the garage yesterday, cars there waiting for me, I'll admit (and it's very silly of me) I didn't give it the best of looks over. it'd been a long hot day, excuses excuses and I just wanted to go home, put my son to bed then go to work. But for that ill hold my hands up. So I pay them all of the £'s and a few pence and off I go, get home, pop the car away and get ready for my night shift.

 

I got up today to have a proper look and notice a bit of surface rust in the seam sealer already on the seam of the step and outer sill. Then I have another look, a closer look, a better look at the outer sill and have a guess what I find? Yes, you guess it, on both sides of the car, OVER SILLS!!

 

At no point were the words over sills or cover sills or even wide wills mentioned. I went for the expensive, done once, done right option. I was told the sills would be replaced. So you'd assume (i know the saying) that you wouldn't go through all the effort of repairing the floor, repairing the inner sill to then slap over sills on top!

 

I'm awaiting a phone call on Monday, but i'm fuming. Fuming with them, fuming with myself, fuming with the cat because it wont stop bothering me while i'm trying to sulk.

 

So to sum it up, I know I should have looked better, but lets pretend i didn't know the difference between the different types of outer sills and someone else had pointed it out weeks or months down the line. Where do I stand? I mean, I've paid, i didn't contest it at the time because i thought it was all good.

 

Am i relying on their good will to put actual proper sills on instead, for free?

Do I have some right based on that the work should be, or at least I assumed (that word again) it would be repaired using the correct panels. There's no way I'd have agreed to over sills being used, surely they fall under the bodge option and I'd have bodged it myself if I had the time but it's not a luxury I have at the moment.

 

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I'll not name the company.....well not until I've spoken to them on Monday anyway.

 

Thanks again,

 

- A very sad man!

 

 

 

 



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Posted 28 July 2018 - 08:46 PM

Sorry to hear about that! What did you specifically ask them to do?

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 09:08 PM

The car originally went to the for a once over and to be taken for an MOT, so It was more them telling me what needed to be done and what other rust to expect, with a rough "worse case" price and me saying I was happy for them to do the work. Rather than me saying "I've got rust here, here and here. Can you fix it with these panels oh and please use over sills".

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 09:13 PM

Whether the garage is willing to rectify the work will depend on there good will I think. Unless you have a written quote or instructions from yourself detailing the work to be done ie repair floor using heritage repair panels, inner sills and outer sills to be repaired/replaced as required, outer sills should be the appropriate short fluted panels as originally fitted.

Sorry if that is not what you want to hear but with out written details they will probably claim that a professional repair using approved parts has been carried out.

Good luck anyway hope you get it sorted

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 09:16 PM

I'm really sorry to hear you have had a bad experience but the problem is, some places still use cover sills and are not aware about the pitfalls of using them.

It's not really about cost as they are not really any different in cost from the correct narrow type sills, some people do believe that the over sills are better and stronger.

 

Does this garage you use do any kind of specialized restoration work or body work or do they just do general welding?

If the latter then its more likely that they didn't perhaps know the difference?

 

The problem here for me is that there is rust showing in the repair areas so soon after the job was completed so it wouldn't surprise me if no rust proofing has been used in the seams and behind panels.

This is the most important thing that needs addressing so you should expect this to be resolved.

All you can do really is point out the rust, tell them you want the cover sills removed explaining that coversills trap moisture causing premature rusting and request that rustproofing is carried out along with narrow sills.

If they haven't been needlessly seam welded on all the way round, it wouldn't be a big job to sort this out.

 

I would suggest that perhaps they have been fitted to cover scruffy inner sill repairs but if you have the pictures showing the stages of the repairs, then I would imagine that it would be satisfactory.

 

Keep us updated.

 

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 09:26 PM

Yes they specialise in classic car restoration. A lot of experience with minis and similar cars, build engines and do a fair bit of racing.

From being a member on here I've learnt that over sills are a no no, so wouldn't have thought I'd have to ask for them not to be fitted.

The car didn't have over sills on when it got to them, so I wouldn't expect it to leave with them on either.

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Posted 31 July 2018 - 10:15 PM

I'll give you guys an update once I finally get them on the phone again but for now, can we all agree that the picture below is in fact an oversill?

 

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Posted 31 July 2018 - 10:33 PM

That is defo an oversill,

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Posted 01 August 2018 - 06:26 AM

Yes

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Posted 01 August 2018 - 11:09 PM

I'm a self taught bodger, I've made a far better job of mine myself,

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Dripping with cavity wax too.


Why oversills, why the rust and why the underseal all over everything?


I hope you get it sorted. :-(

Edited by CityEPete, 01 August 2018 - 11:21 PM.


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Posted 02 August 2018 - 02:43 PM

That's an over sill and although the welding looks ok, why has it been drowned in underseal then not painted?

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 05:32 PM

Can you fess up who did this?



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Posted 02 August 2018 - 07:33 PM

Where are they based?

Just checking it’s not the same bunch that just had me too?

Edited by Minigman, 02 August 2018 - 07:33 PM.


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Posted 02 August 2018 - 07:36 PM

That's an over sill and although the welding looks ok, why has it been drowned in underseal then not painted?

You cannot paint over underseal



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Posted 02 August 2018 - 08:26 PM


That's an over sill and although the welding looks ok, why has it been drowned in underseal then not painted?

You cannot paint over underseal

Oversills don't come with under seal on them though!




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