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#16 bluedragon

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Posted 28 October 2018 - 07:28 AM

Not really true.
Imagine a room full of kindle. What would burn it the fastest? Light it with 1 match, 1 blow torch, or 3 blow torches close to eachother?

 
 
 
A blow torch (or 3 blow torches) have more energy to light off kindling, but would also have dozens of times more surface area to spread that energy around to ignite the kindling.
 
If you concentrated the heat energy of those blowtorches into the same flame area as a match, it would only do a little bit better job of setting the kindling aflame.
 
You only need (and can use) enough spark energy to ignite the fuel. More energy in the same space does nothing more. As the above scientific paper illustrated, the innovation that improved performance was the one that increased ignition surface area. 
 
A whiz-bang ultra-plasma megajolt ignition, firing across the same tiny spark gap, would probably do no more than increase spark plug electrode wear. If it was really a massive increase in energy, the plugs might wear out in a few tanks of fuel (though maybe the iridium ones might last longer.)
 
The main circumstances where increased spark energy is helpful is if the motor runs very high compression or high boost. Then, because it's harder to ignite the mixture under those conditions, extra spark energy is helpful. May also help if lots of oil is getting into the combustion chamber. (analogous to lighting off wet kindling.)
 
 
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Posted 28 October 2018 - 10:01 AM

I can remember some wonder plugs called "Jet Igniters".

 

They were advertised as the cat's whisker of plugs (used in conjunction with 'snake oil, they did everything except prevent hang overs, credit card fraud and erectile dysfunction )

 

The end of the plug covered the electrode with a convex plate with 3 holes around the edge, from which the advert showed inch long flames "jetting" into the combustion chamber.

 

They just had one minor drawback, you couldn't clean them.  Well perhaps it was two, you couldn't set the gap.  No, actually it was three, they needed tranny ignition and a 6 volt coil.

 

Like coil springs instead of rubber doughnuts, why try and cure a problem that isn't there?

 

They weren't all bad news.  One day a pretty girl came with her Mini firing on only 2, or maybe one plug.  I threw away the "Jet Igniters", fitted a set of N5's, and she was so delighted that we have been married 42 years.



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Posted 29 October 2018 - 11:37 PM

That's the main advantage of the multispark i think. IT sets the flame front off in 3 different directions, each time igniting the relatively richest mixture parts.


Same reason they re making those heads with 2 Combustion chambers. Technical advancement, Just not everything works as advertised...?

Edited by Dusky, 29 October 2018 - 11:39 PM.


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 09:01 AM

I'm sure i read somwhere somthing about multispark ( multiplugs) possibly causing Det, somthing about if you have two flame fronts colliding it promotes the possibuility of detonation. I know one reason for using them was in aircraft to reduce the posibility of losing a cylinder due to plug fouling.

 

with the three prong plug as long as you have a decent cylinder design with good squish ot shopuld make little difference as the mixturte should be pretty turbulent and spread optimally.



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Posted 30 October 2018 - 09:11 AM

I'm sure i read somwhere somthing about multispark ( multiplugs) possibly causing Det, somthing about if you have two flame fronts colliding it promotes the possibuility of detonation. I know one reason for using them was in aircraft to reduce the posibility of losing a cylinder due to plug fouling.

 

with the three prong plug as long as you have a decent cylinder design with good squish ot shopuld make little difference as the mixturte should be pretty turbulent and spread optimally.

but the multi prong plugs still only make one spark.



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Posted 30 October 2018 - 09:37 AM

Good point!



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Posted 30 October 2018 - 11:49 AM

I'm sure i read somwhere somthing about multispark ( multiplugs) possibly causing Det, somthing about if you have two flame fronts colliding it promotes the possibuility of detonation. I know one reason for using them was in aircraft to reduce the posibility of losing a cylinder due to plug fouling.

 

 

Intrresting, havent experienced it myself, but could see things like that happening.


Another thing that exists, not for mini's, but for loaaaads of american cars, is an ignition module that fires 3 sparks under 3K rpm, a bit like on some twin plug engines.



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Posted 02 November 2018 - 01:58 PM

This is interesting and I learned quite a bit.  The standard spark plug does however shield iteself from the air fuel mixture somewhat, so I can see the advantage in the flat type plugs.  I wonder how much of the 'improvements' that owners talk about are real, the David Vizard video did show some real hp and torque gains though.







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