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#1 bdean

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Posted 08 February 2019 - 02:29 PM

I found a few threads dating back to 2009 where people have changed the standard wheel on the MPi mini. I'm wondering if there is anyone still out there that did the wheel change and are they still getting through the MOT OK?

 

Yes I know the new regulations state that any vehicle fitted with an airbag from the factory must have it present.

 

My argument is what is best. An airbag system >20 years old (where the official rover workshop manual recommends replacing every 10 years, no longer possible as all parts are obsolete) or no airbag at all?

 

I'm seriously considering not fitting any of the SRS loom when I rebuild my car. I already have a new dash which does not have the hole to accommodate the SRS light.

 

Wood & Picket seem to have stopped making their airbag conversion kit and Moto Lita specifically state they will not supply bosses for cars that have had of have an airbag.

 

So I guess I have two options. Refit all of the tatty SRS system and try and get the wheel re-leathered or fit a Momo boss from an MGF.

 

FYI I contacted my local garage who specialise in classics and they said their friendly MOT testing station would most likely pass the car if there was zero evidence of the SRS systems although I would need to notify my insurance. Would this then put the premiums up or would insurance companies refuse to insure me?

 

Opinions please. 



#2 blackbelt1990

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 07:38 AM

Take the bulb out, a car can fail for having the SRS light on, but it can’t fail if it doesn’t illuminate.

Yes it could still fail for having an airbag missing, but it’s unlikely to.

#3 GraemeC

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 08:17 AM

Yes it can - since 2102 the MoT tests for correct functioning of the warning lamp for all of the safety functions.



#4 mpialan

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 09:56 AM

I have retained my original air bag steering wheel and swap it over prior to the test. Once it has passed, swap it back.



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Posted 09 February 2019 - 10:52 AM

Yes it can - since 2102 the MoT tests for correct functioning of the warning lamp for all of the safety functions.


From GOV.UK 2014

2. Supplementary Restraint Systems (SRS) lamps
When testing SRS MIL (Malfunction Indicator Light) lamps we are only looking to see if the lamp indicates if there is a fault with the system. If no lamp is present or it doesn’t illuminate then it can’t indicate a system fault, so it can’t be failed. Some vehicles may also incorporate warning messages on dash board displays; these are in addition to any MIL lamps and should not be used as a reason for rejection.

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 11:47 AM

Typical gov guidance - if the lamp fails to illuminate then that is a fault with the system!



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Posted 09 February 2019 - 09:10 PM

Typical gov guidance - if the lamp fails to illuminate then that is a fault with the system!


I think if there’s any fault at all, the bulb illuminates by default though? Like the brake test light on a mini.

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 04:53 AM

The SRS warning light should illuminate at ignition on/crank and then go out once engine has started. If it remains on post engine start then assumption is that a fault is present. Note, this could also be a fault with the seat belt pre-tensioners.

Don't check anything out until the battery has been disconnected overnight because the systems capacitors retain a charge for some time after battery is disconnected. 



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Posted 17 March 2019 - 07:57 AM

Yes it can - since 2102 the MoT tests for correct functioning of the warning lamp for all of the safety functions.


From GOV.UK 2014

2. Supplementary Restraint Systems (SRS) lamps
When testing SRS MIL (Malfunction Indicator Light) lamps we are only looking to see if the lamp indicates if there is a fault with the system. If no lamp is present or it doesn’t illuminate then it can’t indicate a system fault, so it can’t be failed. Some vehicles may also incorporate warning messages on dash board displays; these are in addition to any MIL lamps and should not be used as a reason for rejection.

I think you're looking at an outdated testing manual.
From the current manual:

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 10:11 AM

Guidance from my MOT tester was that if there is no SRS light whatsoever, and there isn't an airbag steering wheel with no airbag in it, then that is ok. I.e, there's no 'inoperable' light and and airbag not 'obviously missing'. My MPI will have no airbag, no SRS light, no prestensioner system etc. 



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Posted 17 March 2019 - 11:17 AM

Guidance from my MOT tester was that if there is no SRS light whatsoever, and there isn't an airbag steering wheel with no airbag in it, then that is ok. I.e, there's no 'inoperable' light and and airbag not 'obviously missing'. My MPI will have no airbag, no SRS light, no prestensioner system etc.


Not strictly true unless its a competition car. Also the vehicle specific info the tester can see when they registar the car for mot may show it left the factory with an airbag.
From the current manual:

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 07:42 AM

Yep, I get that - just stating what the chap who will be MOT'ing my car said. Depends very much on your testers interpretation of the regulations and manual. That's why I'd always recommend going and chatting to your tester if you're worried about any grey areas. Take biscuits. 



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Posted 31 March 2019 - 10:05 AM

Sorry to crash this thread a bit late. Isn't there an inline resistor, that can be purchased at any electrical store, to place on the live wire to the light, which makes the light operate as it should no matter what the situation with the airbag or rotary coupler? I'm not sure here, but my MOT garage mentioned it when I was discussing this with him.






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