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#1 mab01uk

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Posted 09 December 2019 - 12:41 PM

"SUVs are larger and heavier than a standard car, emitting about a quarter more CO2 than a medium-size car and nearly four times more than a medium-sized battery electric vehicle," said the UKERC.

"Assuming the majority of these SUVs will be on UK roads for at least a decade, it is estimated the extra cumulative emissions to total around 8.2 million tons of CO2."

They're tall, spacious, and styled to look as though they belong halfway up a mountain, even though most will never ever venture more than a few metres off-road. SUVs are undoubtedly popular with drivers. But they're also big and heavy - and that means they emit more CO2 than smaller cars.

The UKERC said the "extraordinary leap" in SUV sales over the past four years seemed to be due to "attractive car financing packages which divert attention from running costs".

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Posted 09 December 2019 - 03:02 PM

Let's be honest, worrying about CO2 emmissions of petrol and diesel cars is just peeing in the wind when you look at the population explosion of the world. I find it amazing that it's always cars that get the biggest finger pointed at them, with an almost disregard for the many other fossil fueled products, and over-mined minerals that a human uses over their lifespan. But it's easy to re-engineer cars to fit in with the current mindset, and carry on with the profits and taxation - which is what it's all about. 


Edited by rich_959, 09 December 2019 - 03:07 PM.


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Posted 09 December 2019 - 03:32 PM

If you extract the C from a ton of CO2, it can be compressed into a 64cm sided cube.

 

Not a lot of people know that !

 

For home work,  calculate how many tons of CO2 would have to be extracted from the atmosphere to fill the Grand Canyon.



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Posted 09 December 2019 - 04:51 PM

If you extract the C from a ton of CO2, it can be compressed into a 64cm sided cube.

 

Not a lot of people know that !

 

For home work,  calculate how many tons of CO2 would have to be extracted from the atmosphere to fill the Grand Canyon.

 

My calculation is an 87cm sided cube, but I'm no chemist ... and I'm probably incorrect because the density of carbon is higher than of oxygen, or the other way round, or something like that!!!!


Edited by Bobbins, 09 December 2019 - 04:53 PM.


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Posted 09 December 2019 - 05:01 PM

It's interesting to me to see the explosion in "SUV" sales all over the world - maybe I'm missing something but I prefer a small, maneuverable car to a great hulk like these. Here in the States they are about all you can buy - even Ford has stopped making all their cars, or will soon and they now are going to make an electric SUV and call it a Mustang! Craziness!

 

I saw a recent video taken on the German autobahn and all you saw were SUVs, hardly a Porsche or Mercedes car in sight, just these monsters......



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Posted 09 December 2019 - 05:06 PM

 

If you extract the C from a ton of CO2, it can be compressed into a 64cm sided cube.

 

Not a lot of people know that !

 

For home work,  calculate how many tons of CO2 would have to be extracted from the atmosphere to fill the Grand Canyon.

 

My calculation is an 87cm sided cube, but I'm no chemist ... and I'm probably incorrect because the density of carbon is higher than of oxygen, or the other way round, or something like that!!!!

 

 

What ever the correct dimension is, the problem remains;   what are we going to do with the carbon sucked out of the atmosphere by all the trees which we are planting now, when the mature trees die ?



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Posted 09 December 2019 - 05:12 PM

Burn it



#8 mab01uk

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 06:48 PM

Let's be honest, worrying about CO2 emmissions of petrol and diesel cars is just peeing in the wind when you look at the population explosion of the world. I find it amazing that it's always cars that get the biggest finger pointed at them, with an almost disregard for the many other fossil fueled products, and over-mined minerals that a human uses over their lifespan. But it's easy to re-engineer cars to fit in with the current mindset, and carry on with the profits and taxation - which is what it's all about. 

 

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 11:44 PM

It has long been the case that the problem is not so much the creation of emissions, but the increase in global population. To create food, homes and jobs for everyone will increase emissions in direct proportion.

To arrive at neutral emissions would mean eliminating large parts of the economic base of the developed countries and that ain't gonna happen any time soon.

When I was born in 1940 the population of the world was around 2.4 billion. It is now reckoned to be 7.7 billion.  One might reasonably ask what is the maximum it can sustain? What happens when that figure is exceeded?

Maybe it comes down to stop breeding or you will all stop breathing.



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Posted 12 December 2019 - 03:46 PM

One of the markers of a developed country is a marked decrease in births per capita.

 

Several countries have had stagnant or negative population growth for a while, but that pales in significance to the vast numbers blasted out by other countries.



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Posted 12 December 2019 - 04:20 PM

One of the markers of a developed country is a marked decrease in births per capita.

 

Several countries have had stagnant or negative population growth for a while, but that pales in significance to the vast numbers blasted out by other countries.

 

The Present Pope, his Predecessors and a Plalanx of Prelate's Persistent Promulgation of their Population Policy is phatally Polluting this Precious Planet with People.

 

It is Patently Puerile of Presidents, Prime ministers and Parliaments to Plead and  Pander to the Pretence that a Plethora of Profligate Plunderers is a Panacea for the phuter of this Poor Planet.



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Posted 12 December 2019 - 11:43 PM

Phlippin heck, passionate post.



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Posted 14 December 2019 - 11:46 AM

 

One of the markers of a developed country is a marked decrease in births per capita.

 

Several countries have had stagnant or negative population growth for a while, but that pales in significance to the vast numbers blasted out by other countries.

 

The Present Pope, his Predecessors and a Plalanx of Prelate's Persistent Promulgation of their Population Policy is phatally Polluting this Precious Planet with People.

 

It is Patently Puerile of Presidents, Prime ministers and Parliaments to Plead and  Pander to the Pretence that a Plethora of Profligate Plunderers is a Panacea for the phuter of this Poor Planet.

 

Sorry to be boring 'n serious,

 

The birth rate in Latin America, the most Catholic bit of the planet, has fallen to 2.1 - that's zero population growth.

 

It's highest in sub Saharan Africa where it's around 5 to 6 births per woman.

 

The highest figures outside Africa: Afghanistan, Iraq & Yemen.

 

Poverty, Peace & emPowering women 

 

 

The UK's rate is 1.8, so we're on course for population decline and an ageing population without immigration.

 

But not as much as the Catholic countries of Spain (1.4), Portugal (1.25) & Italy (1.5)

 

 

 

...we're 18% carbon, if you want to put a positive, environmental, spin on the obesity crisis.



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Posted 14 December 2019 - 12:05 PM

Assuming that couples live to 80, having 1.8 children will result in a population decline if women gives birth at age 40.............If they give birth at age 20, the population keeps doubling. (or should that be trebling ?)


Edited by DeadSquare, 14 December 2019 - 12:20 PM.


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Posted 14 December 2019 - 02:29 PM

That doesn't sound right - if 2 people (a couple) have 1.8 children they're not replacing themselves no matter what age they have children? If an increasingly large proportion of those children are transgender etc and less likely to have children themselves the decline in numbers will accelerate. Also it now seems to be the case that women leave it later in life to try for kids with a greater risk of failure.




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