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[Markiss]

Hello folks,

 

I would have posted this in the FAQ's section under Wheels and Tyres, but I don't have approval to start a topic in that section as I'm still too much of a fresh noobie. So I'll post here I guess. 

 

I have been doing some searches on this forum regarding wheel and tyre combos. I've posted an inquiry for help in the Show & Shine section, but now have a different inquiry. 

 

I have a feeling that the 12x6 wheel and tyre may not be up to the challenge of filling out the SportPack arches from the ABS Motorsport kit. I've noticed some members on here posting pics of their 7" wide wheel set ups. I'm trying to stay away from the 13's. Preferably want to go with 12's. My second choice are 10's. But I'm also trying to stay away from using spacers. Want to be able to fill out naturally. 

 

I've noticed some old posts about 10x7 wheels. But those posts are so old, I cannot find those wheels or a tyre that fits, any longer. Is there something current out there available now a days for a 7" wide 12" or 10" wheel with a compatible tyre?

 

Which wheels and tyre manufacturers make them so I can search them out. 

 

Still new to all this, and out of the country. Be gentle. 

 

Thanks,

 

-Mark

 

[cookie4343]

Specialist Components do 10x7 split rims. You would have to use 165/70 R10 tyres which would give you abit of tyre stretch but shouldn't cause you major problems.

https://www.speciali...rim-wheels.html

[Markiss]

Thanks for the tip.

Pricey little suckers, but pretty sweet. Good to know that there's still a 10x7 out there to choose from.

Ideally though, I'm aimed more to see if there's 12x7 choices out there to start. If not, I'll make the switch to 10x7's. 

How much good or bad luck have people been having stretching a 165 tire on a 7" inch wheel though? How would it react to some hard cornering? Anyone experience a tyre popping off when stetched like that?

I don't plan to use it as a track car, but I tend to pretend that I'm in a go-kart sometimes on the streets. 

 

[Furyan]

Force Racing do split rim 6.5"x12" rims.http://www.force-rac...modular-wheels/

no cheaper I'm afraid but quality costs.

 

 

Only other option is 12" banded steel wheels maybe or Quad / ATV wheels but that is controversial and has been discussed on here before.

 

As for the tyre stretch, there are quite a few people doing this so it seems acceptable to them but whether its acceptable to you or even legal  in BC and you want to try it only you can decide. Sorry not much help on that

Edited by Furyan, 14 November 2020 - 03:23 AM.

[nicklouse]

There are no cast wheels in that size so you would be going for a custom made 3 or 2 piece set up. Then you would still have the same problem you are stuck with the same tyre sizes so you won’t have anything wider than a 165/70 12 (or whatever size it is).

[Chris1992]

Thanks for the tip.

Pricey little suckers, but pretty sweet. Good to know that there's still a 10x7 out there to choose from.

Ideally though, I'm aimed more to see if there's 12x7 choices out there to start. If not, I'll make the switch to 10x7's. 

How much good or bad luck have people been having stretching a 165 tire on a 7" inch wheel though? How would it react to some hard cornering? Anyone experience a tyre popping off when stetched like that?

I don't plan to use it as a track car, but I tend to pretend that I'm in a go-kart sometimes on the streets. 

 

As others have said, there are no 12x7 or 10x7 1 piece cast wheels, but Force Racing, Image Wheels, or Specialist components will make 3 piece split rims in any size you want, so that's not a problem.

 

As for tyre choice, the 165 will be absolutely fine on a 7" wide wheel. You will probably hear a fair bit of scaremongering telling you otherwise, but it's perfectly safe. It won't be the ideal setup for hard driving, as the tyre wall won't have quite as much flex, but as far as stretch is concerned, it will be fairly minimal, and you will run absolutely no risk at all of the tyre popping off, this only ever happens when the amount of stretch is extreme. I've been running a 175/50/13 on my 13x8" wheels for a very long time, and covered thousands of miles with absolutely zero problems. 

 

I am very involved in the general modified car scene, so I see all sorts of modifications. I have seen 165 tyres stretched onto wheels as wide as 8" or 9" with no issues (not that I would ever do this myself!!!). Obviously stretch to this level will effect the handling, but still the risk of a tyre popping off is very minimal. 

Edited by Chris1992, 14 November 2020 - 04:28 PM.

[Markiss]

Force Racing do split rim 6.5"x12" rims.http://www.force-rac...modular-wheels/

no cheaper I'm afraid but quality costs.

 

 

Only other option is 12" banded steel wheels maybe or Quad / ATV wheels but that is controversial and has been discussed on here before.

 

As for the tyre stretch, there are quite a few people doing this so it seems acceptable to them but whether its acceptable to you or even legal  in BC and you want to try it only you can decide. Sorry not much help on that

 

Thanks for the feedback Furyan.

I wouldn't be comfortable with a an atv wheel on a car. In my searches here for wheel and tyre choices, I saw that some were using golf cart and atv tires just to get the right tire size. Wouldn't want to go down that road,......literally, pun intended. 

Good to know that there's people doing the stretch with success then. Haven't even thought of legalities of that. Wasn't aware there may be any. Guess I'd better look at that aspect also. 

 

There are no cast wheels in that size so you would be going for a custom made 3 or 2 piece set up. Then you would still have the same problem you are stuck with the same tyre sizes so you won’t have anything wider than a 165/70 12 (or whatever size it is).

 

Right. Never thought about that. Kinda limited in tyre widths for 12's. Seems to be more available for 13's for different widths. Blimey! It keeps coming back to that. Wider 13 wheels. Wider 13 tires. It's like they're taunting me to the dark side. 

 

 

Thanks for the tip.

Pricey little suckers, but pretty sweet. Good to know that there's still a 10x7 out there to choose from.

Ideally though, I'm aimed more to see if there's 12x7 choices out there to start. If not, I'll make the switch to 10x7's. 

How much good or bad luck have people been having stretching a 165 tire on a 7" inch wheel though? How would it react to some hard cornering? Anyone experience a tyre popping off when stetched like that?

I don't plan to use it as a track car, but I tend to pretend that I'm in a go-kart sometimes on the streets. 

 

As others have said, there are no 12x7 or 10x7 1 piece cast wheels, but Force Racing, Image Wheels, or Specialist components will make 3 piece split rims in any size you want, so that's not a problem.

 

As for tyre choice, the 165 will be absolutely fine on a 7" wide wheel. You will probably hear a fair bit of scaremongering telling you otherwise, but it's perfectly safe. It won't be the ideal setup for hard driving, as the tyre wall won't have quite as much flex, but as far as stretch is concerned, it will be fairly minimal, and you will run absolutely no risk at all of the tyre popping off, this only ever happens when the amount of stretch is extreme. I've been running a 175/50/13 on my 13x8" wheels for a very long time, and covered thousands of miles with absolutely zero problems. 

 

I am very involved in the general modified car scene, so I see all sorts of modifications. I have seen 165 tyres stretched onto wheels as wide as 8" or 9" with no issues (not that I would ever do this myself!!!). Obviously stretch to this level will effect the handling, but still the risk of a tyre popping off is very minimal. 

 

 

Thanks Chris for the recommendations. Looked up the other wheel shops there and found some contenders. Anyone have any of those? How are they holding up? Any pros and cons? Gonna hurt the bank account. This is where currency conversion really sucks. Those wheels, plus VAT and shipping overseas. Yikes. 

Maybe what I could do is a 12x6 on the fronts and 12x7 on the rears. That way the fronts won't be subject to too much sidewall force when driven hard and in the fast corners, on an already stretched tire and rim combo. Also, the rear 12x7's may be good in the way of the wheel and tyre combo sticking out further to be flush with the outer edge of the arches. As it seems the rears suffer by being sucked inward and under the sport pack arches too much. 

Wow. I'd be anxious about stretching a 165 on a 8" or 9" wheel. That's ballsy. 

But if there's no major issue with the 165 stretch on a 7", that's good to know. Maybe I'll do that on the rears. 

Thanks for the feedback. Good to know what's current now, after sorting through all the old posts with wheels and tyres that don't exist anymore. 

[Chris1992]

 

Thanks Chris for the recommendations. Looked up the other wheel shops there and found some contenders. Anyone have any of those? How are they holding up? Any pros and cons? Gonna hurt the bank account. This is where currency conversion really sucks. Those wheels, plus VAT and shipping overseas. Yikes. 

Maybe what I could do is a 12x6 on the fronts and 12x7 on the rears. That way the fronts won't be subject to too much sidewall force when driven hard and in the fast corners, on an already stretched tire and rim combo. Also, the rear 12x7's may be good in the way of the wheel and tyre combo sticking out further to be flush with the outer edge of the arches. As it seems the rears suffer by being sucked inward and under the sport pack arches too much. 

Wow. I'd be anxious about stretching a 165 on a 8" or 9" wheel. That's ballsy. 

But if there's no major issue with the 165 stretch on a 7", that's good to know. Maybe I'll do that on the rears. 

Thanks for the feedback. Good to know what's current now, after sorting through all the old posts with wheels and tyres that don't exist anymore. 

 

 

No problem mate!

I currently have Force Racing wheels on he front of my Mini, and Image Wheels on the back. Both are fantastic quality, but the Force Racing ones are better I'd say. However Image wheels have much better customer service, as Force Racing can be tricky to get hold of due to being a much smaller company. Definitely pricey, but worth it I'd say! 

 

I think going for a staggered setup would look really good, something different you don't see often too. 

 

Ballsy indeed! Like I said, I'd never recommend stretch to that level due to what it can do to the handling, but in terms of the tyres ability to stay in place, no worries at all 

[Furyan]

This thread shows some 7 x10 split rims with Yoko tyres fitted and some opinions on using them -

 

http://www.theminifo...y-on-7x10-rims/

 

There's also this thread http://www.theminifo...ts-pack-arches/

 

which has a few minis with the sports pack arches fitted with 10's to give you an idea what they look like and if its the look you're after.

 

There's a couple of links embedded in there, click them both, one is a for sale advert with some photos in it and the other is a You tube video with a walk round a nice blue mini with 10's and sports pack arches.

[Markiss]

Well, after doing some calculating, I think I might pass on those higher priced wheels. By the time it's all added up it'll cost me around $2500-$3000 CDN once the VAT is added, currency converted, and shipped to me. That's pretty steep just for the wheels. If those are the only options for a 7" wide 12 wheel, I may have to rethink this. 

Another staggered idea, is maybe to get 12x6 MiniLights with 165 A048R tyres up front, and the same MiniLights in the back, but with a 13x7 size with A048R 175 tyres. 

Has anyone seen a Mini with 12's up front and 13's in the rear? 

[Markiss]

 

 

Thanks Chris for the recommendations. Looked up the other wheel shops there and found some contenders. Anyone have any of those? How are they holding up? Any pros and cons? Gonna hurt the bank account. This is where currency conversion really sucks. Those wheels, plus VAT and shipping overseas. Yikes. 

Maybe what I could do is a 12x6 on the fronts and 12x7 on the rears. That way the fronts won't be subject to too much sidewall force when driven hard and in the fast corners, on an already stretched tire and rim combo. Also, the rear 12x7's may be good in the way of the wheel and tyre combo sticking out further to be flush with the outer edge of the arches. As it seems the rears suffer by being sucked inward and under the sport pack arches too much. 

Wow. I'd be anxious about stretching a 165 on a 8" or 9" wheel. That's ballsy. 

But if there's no major issue with the 165 stretch on a 7", that's good to know. Maybe I'll do that on the rears. 

Thanks for the feedback. Good to know what's current now, after sorting through all the old posts with wheels and tyres that don't exist anymore. 

 

 

No problem mate!

I currently have Force Racing wheels on he front of my Mini, and Image Wheels on the back. Both are fantastic quality, but the Force Racing ones are better I'd say. However Image wheels have much better customer service, as Force Racing can be tricky to get hold of due to being a much smaller company. Definitely pricey, but worth it I'd say! 

 

I think going for a staggered setup would look really good, something different you don't see often too. 

 

Ballsy indeed! Like I said, I'd never recommend stretch to that level due to what it can do to the handling, but in terms of the tyres ability to stay in place, no worries at all 

 

 

Thanks again Chris. Good to know that they are holding up for you in case I  ever did decide to go with them. I've seen split rims have issues before, especially ones created by smaller companies. Things like, where the seams weren't good and leaked air out of the rim, or went out-of-round after a short time. It would have to be real good quality especially after paying that much. 

 

 

This thread shows some 7 x10 split rims with Yoko tyres fitted and some opinions on using them -

 

http://www.theminifo...y-on-7x10-rims/

 

There's also this thread http://www.theminifo...ts-pack-arches/

 

which has a few minis with the sports pack arches fitted with 10's to give you an idea what they look like and if its the look you're after.

 

There's a couple of links embedded in there, click them both, one is a for sale advert with some photos in it and the other is a You tube video with a walk round a nice blue mini with 10's and sports pack arches.

 

Thanks Furyan. I haven't seen that first thread you mentioned but have seen the second one. That advert one showed a lot of what I was looking for. Multiple angles with wide arches. That pretty much brought me to consider the 7" wheels, due to how the 6" wheels sink inward under the arches on the rear. 

Edited by Markiss, 19 November 2020 - 12:04 AM.