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[jn1702]

what was the difference between Gold seal and Silver seal engines? Can anyone point me to any reading material on the subject? thanks

[Asphalt]

Gold seal engines are cr/\p,
Silver seal engines are made out of wrecked gold seal engines and the scrapy leftovers of the day shift... So goes the fairy-tale...

I guess it's a matter of quality, realy.
Gold seal is a replacement engine, silver seal is a cheap replacement with no good quality.
Might be wrong - this is what I've been told by a Mini-mechanic

Cheers,
Jan

[Mini_the_Minx]

Minxy has a gold seal. We only found out when we gave it a clean as the rocker cover wasn't on tight enough causing abit of an oil leak.

[Sleepy Stu]

Yep gold seal is a new replacment engine if your should go while still under warranty.

My GT had a silver seal engine in it when i stripped it down i found the bores had been linered so some time in the past the bores had gone and rather than provide a new engine they just repaired the block and gave it a new silver seal engine number!

Edited by Stewart_GT, 28 November 2008 - 01:54 PM.

[John H]

Goldseal is a complete factory reconditioned engine. Silverseal is a reconditioned short engine.

[rozzer1275]

i thought gold seal engines where new factory replacements that came with a guarantee

[Dan]

No. A new engine is a new engine. Gold Seals were considered to be as good as a new engine and so often had a new engine number for the particular engine type rather than a specific Gold Seal number. If the gold paint had come off or you'd lost the reciept then after a few miles you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a new and Gold Seal, with Leyland's record keeping ability even the full engine number wouldn't help. When a car is a new model, there are no re-con engines available because none have blown up yet. So if someone needs a new engine they have no choice but to fit a complete new one. That's why some new engines and some Gold Seals share an engine number.

Gold and Silver Seal engines are both factory re-cons and have a generally good reputation for longevity and quality. Gold Seals have more parts replaced with new than Silver Seals, which use more re-conditioned parts. Both were complete engines I believe but I could be wrong.

Edited by Dan, 28 November 2008 - 02:31 PM.

[62S]

Gold seal engines are cr/\p,
Silver seal engines are made out of wrecked gold seal engines and the scrapy leftovers of the day shift... So goes the fairy-tale...

I guess it's a matter of quality, realy.
Gold seal is a replacement engine, silver seal is a cheap replacement with no good quality.
Might be wrong - this is what I've been told by a Mini-mechanic

Don't give out incorrect advice - if you don't know the answer, don't post!

Goldseal engines were factory reconditioned units as in they were built at Morris Engines in Coventry to as new standards. They were as good as new units and came with 12 months warranty.

Originally Goldeseal units were available as complete or short engines. The Silverseal brand came later and became the short engine side of the business.

The fact that a Goldseal engine has liners in doesn't mean anything as many new engines were also fitted with liners. There is nothing wrong with liners if they are fitted properly.

[Dan]

Absolutely not, in fact in a standard engine liners are a great thing. An A series with liners will last a lot longer than a bare block. The only time when liners cause a problem is if you want to overbore the block.

[ANON]

i stripped a gold seal engine years ago. the thrusts had been shimmed/botched !!

[jn1702]

thanks everyone

[mini_mission]

Absolutely not, in fact in a standard engine liners are a great thing. An A series with liners will last a lot longer than a bare block. The only time when liners cause a problem is if you want to overbore the block.

interesting thread, but sorry to hijack, using liners I assume you can use a 1380 block and line it back to 1275- possible giving life to knackered/ scored over bored blocks?

[Retro_10s]

I assume you can use a 1380 block and line it back to 1275- possible giving life to knackered/ scored over bored blocks?

I'm not totally sure, iwas under the impression this might not be possible on 1380 as the bores are offset.... not 100% however.

[jonny d]

blocks were linered at the factory when they were bored out some blocks were porous so they put them all to one side and linered them
all at the same time, that way they kept there cost down so I read somewhere.