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[Goopster]

Hi All

As part of my restoration, I am fitting a later 1994 1275 Carb Engine to my 1977 Mini. There are a few small differences between the engines (Verto Cluch, Bigger Carb etc), and also the newer engine has the later pre-engaged stareter motor with built in solenoid. I have the older type starter in my car, with the seperate solenoid bolted to the inner wing. Has anyone performed this upgrade in the past? Is it easy, or is there a lot of wire chopping and rerouting needed? I'd like to use the later starter as they are quieter and I presume better than the old ones?

In fact, even if I wanted to, can I even fit the older starter into the newer engine? Hmmmmmmmmm. Anyway, I'm just in the process of stripping and cleaning up the engine and wondered which of the two starter motors to clean up and paint y'see

Cheers!

Edited by Goopster, 03 May 2009 - 01:09 PM.

[mars red mike]

If you have got the complete pre-verto clutch/flywheel I would use that as its alot lighter than a verto one and cheaper to replace.

[Pauly]

IIRC you will have to change the ring gear on the flywheel aswell.

Paul.

Edited by Pauly, 03 May 2009 - 03:01 PM.

[Cooperman]

The flywheel ring gear and the starter pinion gear are different form the pre-verto to the verto.
You cannot 'mix & match'. The verto must have the pre-engaged starter with the built-in solenoid.
However, as has already been said, the early flywheel is lighter and, IMHO, a lot better than the verto. Any conversions done are usually the other way - i.e. verto to pre-verto flywheel, clutch and starter.
It is advisable to fit a Cooper 'S' clutch diaphragm if it's a 1275 or bigger.

[jayare]

You need to keep the correct starter for the ring gear - in your case, the pre-engaged type. To do this you can retain the wing-mounted solenoid and use it as the starter relay. You need to take the short starter lead and move it to the same terminal on the wing-mounted solenoid as the main battery lead (giving a live supply from the battery to the starter motor). Once this is done, use some heavy gauge cable to run from the terminal you removed the short lead from to the big spdae terminal on the back of the piggy-back solenoid.

Make sure the battery is disconnected before doing this!

JR.

[Goopster]

Fantastic.... Thanks all for your advice and help. Jayare, I have copied and pasted your text so I don't lose it when I come to fit it all back together - nice one!