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Pro's And Con's Of Rose Jointed Tie Bars And Bottom Arms On A Road Car


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#1 stardude

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Posted 06 May 2009 - 11:42 AM

hiya

i am looking to install an adjustable geometry setup soon and was wondering whats best to get.

rose jointed tie bars and bottom arms or regular rubber bushed adjustable ones???

what are the pros and cons of the rose jointed parts compared to the rubber bushed ones??

i realy dont mind extra cabin noise for handling gains etc.

anybody got experience with the roase jointed ones??


many thanks

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Posted 06 May 2009 - 11:44 AM

Not worth it on a road car imo, go for the rubber bushed adjustable ones as the spherical joints will wear out too fast.

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Posted 06 May 2009 - 11:46 AM

I have rose joint top and bottom arms, and rear trailing arms. There isnt any extra noise to speak of. I can get my suspension setup spot on and the front wheels dont change track angle as Im accellerating so I set the front parallel for least scrub.
I wouldnt have anything else

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Posted 06 May 2009 - 11:51 AM

I have rose joint top and bottom arms, and rear trailing arms. There isnt any extra noise to speak of. I can get my suspension setup spot on and the front wheels dont change track angle as Im accellerating so I set the front parallel for least scrub.
I wouldnt have anything else

Paul



so you think its deffinatly worth spending that little extra and getting rose jointed?

am i right in saying that they dont degrade like the rubber bushes so they do not change angles and other settings as they degrade and wear??

have you had to replace any rose joints due to wear? if so how long did they last??

cheers

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Posted 06 May 2009 - 12:17 PM

Much better on the road than bushes ever will be especially as the roads deteriorate :D

As Paul says, they keep your wheels in check, you also get better turn in :thumbsup:

And contrary to some strange belief they do NOT wear out any quicker than say a steering control rod end does....... the only time that wear is an issue is when the lower arms do not have a dust boot.

A proper dust boot is one that covers the whole joint in 360 degrees not just a side cap which still lets in dust and water :D

My own are almost twenty years old, made as part of my apprenticeship :cry: and I have been making them ever since :)

Regards Martin

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Posted 06 May 2009 - 12:18 PM

I change mine every 3-4 years. They dont degrade like you say. Its just down to whether or not you feel its worth the money to be honest, but I rate them highly

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Posted 06 May 2009 - 01:41 PM

And while your at it Joe, you will need to fit one of Paul's baffle trays :( as they will save you loads of power for your new engine :cry:

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Posted 06 May 2009 - 03:42 PM

rod end joints do not have unwanted movment (like bush compliance) so in theroy should need less toe out with the tie bars and less camber with the lower arms.




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