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#1 Minimade

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Posted 10 May 2009 - 09:58 PM

Sorry I know its been asked many times, but I can't find the thread!

How much would it cost to build a Promotive R1 Mini approx? (If you had a suitable base car already)

Ta very much

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 08:14 AM

work on a figure of approx 5500 for everything you need if you do the vast majority of the work yourself, this assumes a fairly expensive 5PW engine and some rolling road time. :D

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 09:26 AM

to add a bit of realism to that id say 7k+ working along 5PW costs

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 02:51 PM

to add a bit of realism to that id say 7k+ working along 5PW costs



realism? I've got the reciepts here for everything - 5694.38, this does exclude mine and johns labour / time, but does include:

fuel pump
fuel lines
high pressure fuel filter
modification to fuel tank
fuel pressure regulator
digital speedo
digital rev counter
temp guage
oil pressure guage
water pressure guage
LED's to create indicators
neutral position warning LED
gear position indicator
throttle cable
1 mark 1 clutch slave cylinder
custom clutch line 1.1 m length
cooling fan kit with mounts
adjustable fan actuator kit
in-line water temp switch mount
5 litres of yamaha performance oil
2 fuse boxes
1 plastic housing for ECU and ambient air temp
scott oiler and 1 litre chain lube
fisfull of wiring
in line oil temp switch housing and sender unit
10 qty fuel line unions / banjo's
reed switch for speed pulse incl wiring
12 qty jubilee clips various sizes
2 qty CV boots with stainless tie wire
1 litre diff oil
1 Qty volt meter / guage
2 lengths 12mm ID silicone hose
2 qty laser cut stainless steel vent plates
1 qty 12 inch diameter speaker grill to cover original fan hole
approx 50 rubber lined P clips
small qty scews
small qty bolts / nylocs
solid subframe tower mounts
solid subframe front mounts
solid subframe bottom mounts

300 teabags
4 bags of sugar
approx 15 litres milk
72 cans lager / cider

engine / loom and all ancillaries from Yorkshire engines
subframe package and loom modification by Pro-motive
1 hours run on rolling road.

I have not inlcuded here the barnet clutch as I didnt use it, or some of the numerous bits and bobs that we utilised 'off the shelf' from spares we had here in the unit.

I have also not allowed for:

300 teabags
4 bags of sugar
approx 15 litres milk
72 cans lager / cider

you could buy a lot of these parts used / second hand and save a fortune.

If you were to have a firm install this - other than promotive - you might spend 7 to 7.5 K, but I think Pro-motive still do a drive in drive out service for a lot less.

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 03:55 PM

anyone got any idea when the reverse kit will be available to joe public? also has anyone paid promotive to fit the kit for them and how much was it?
cheers!

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 03:58 PM

anyone got any idea when the reverse kit will be available to joe public? also has anyone paid promotive to fit the kit for them and how much was it?
cheers!


as far as I'm aware its available now at approx 1K

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 04:02 PM

Well sorry to be the one to argue but i sure would like to see those recipts martin :P

Buying the basic kit is £3250 as we all know. so a good engine & loom etc £1200 then £100 for loom mods carbon airbox £120 (a must have) £580 for quaife dif (not a must have but highly recomended) extra chains & sprokets £190 (a must) scot oiler £70 (a must if you want any life out of chains & sprokets) & a chain guard for me it was 20 notes (a must) then super comp 4 oil & filter £60 a a good fuel pump & adjustable pressure guage for me £150 barnet clutch with carbon plates £255 so just for the basic kit for me is £6055 & thats not counting all the odds n sods n things going wrong & stainless pipes & adjustable this adjustable that etc etc the list doesnt stop!

So i think Al is spot on!

I think the reverse is £1200

Edited by Basky, 11 May 2009 - 04:08 PM.


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Posted 11 May 2009 - 04:06 PM

does this include the engine that exploded? lol. or the barnett clutch you would need for the 5PW's power, i needed it for the 4XV's and that was only 150bhp

Edited by alexcrosse, 11 May 2009 - 04:07 PM.


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Posted 11 May 2009 - 04:46 PM

does this include the engine that exploded? lol. or the barnett clutch you would need for the 5PW's power, i needed it for the 4XV's and that was only 150bhp



that includes the original engine that went pop, If i based it on the second engine it would be 400 quid cheaper.
I didn't use the barnett as you know - Basky bought it - and to-date I haven't actually needed it or missed it, but then I'm not track day racing I guess.

my kit was 2800.00, and I didnt have the diff upgrade - just kept the standard kit option. Yamaha loom mods was 75 quid by promotive, and obviosuly john did all the electrical work from that point on with mine.
I haven't included for spare chains or variable tooth'd sprockets becasue that doesn't really come into this equation unless you decide to take them as an option, now chains are improved mine has been fine.

I haven't used the chain guard - no need really. I was going to have one, it didn't arrive for one reason and another mainly due to me, but again we've never really felt we needed one since that point.

my original engine, 2 looms, ecu, voltage stabiliser, clocks, etc etc etc was 1070.00. I sold the clocks and few other bits i didnt need for 120.00 so balance of 950.00
second engine with all ancillaries again was 700 quid - sold all ancillaries for 175.00 ( and what was left of other engine to alex ), so balance of 525.00

I stick by my figures - you could spend 20 grand if you wanted to, but you can definitely still achieve it within the same costs that I incurred.

examples of how to make savings:

BMW (Bosch) 3 series injection fuel pump 125.00 new, breakers yard 30 quid - wish I had known this before I bought 2 of them :P a rogue nut got into the first and destroyed it.

new shiny fuel pressure regulator 90 quid, used item maybe 20 - 30 quid, or even an ebay special.

maybe I'm just frugal, or buying better / cheaper, i dunno, but I know how much I have spent.

If it was going to cost that kind of money, just get pro-mo to do a drive in drive out package and save money instantly !! Or get a 2nd hand rig like Alex did ( when and if they come along) and save bundles.

we all choose varying specs on what we do, and I'll wager every install to date has cost differing amounts.

The only thing that hasn't gone into the equations is upkeep. How much does it cost to maintain, repair, and keep on the road ? because that's a much more interesting and complicated area :lol: .

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 07:54 PM

we all choose varying specs on what we do, and I'll wager every install to date has cost differing amounts


Well put Martin :P Its a shame you have to disclose everything on here but at least its a good guide for people to think on.

also has anyone paid promotive to fit the kit for them and how much was it?
cheers!


Sorry I haven't got a pro-motive kit but this the idea I got from Darren when I enquired about a drive in drive out, anyone feel free to correct me that has :lol:

Drive in drive out at Pro-motive (with you supplying the carb engine and a R1 fuel pump) is around £5000?

Bear in mind you should of already thought about dash/dials and what not if you are driving it home again, you can give them the R1 dash but they need to wire it up and plonk it on the dash somewhere??? You wont be using the ALL the original dash gauges.

Also air filtration? Not sure if they can just put the engine in on the carbs and let you go on your way???? I'm sure the carbs will need re-jetting and setup somewhere, unless they can do this?

Or you could just call up Darren and tell him what you got and what you want?

Alex - you was using original mini brakes wasn't you? If so that will help with the cost towards the drive in drive out to get you back home at least.

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 08:19 PM

also has anyone paid promotive to fit the kit for them and how much was it?
cheers!
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I started with an mpi'd mini, drove it up to Phil at pro-motive and gave him the keys and a complete bike engine with loom,gauges, exhaust. They also took pictures of the build for me. the link I can post up if you want.

I paid extra for a scott oiler, extra for the chain guard, extra for the pro-motive airbox, extra for a 2" maniflow system, extra for a electric fan and extra for a new clutch. Now I personally dont want to divulge all my costs exactly as I think thats unfair to pro-motive as they fitted my car with the kit etc. As far as I know it was the first customer car they had done. vids are on there site aswell as you tube.
But I definatley aggree with Martin that it can be done for £5500.
We can go on all day about brakes, suspension and other upgrades all day but to be honest these should have been done well before your thinking about this conversion so that cost is to be put aside.

This £5500 is without considering what costs I got back when I sold all the bits they took off the car like the old exhaust, engine, rad and fan etc. If I took that into account I could take off another £2000 off the £5500. But thats me and not everyone will be that lucky. My old engine was a 1380 sccr etc which I got £1500 for.

I bought a complete bike from a salvage yard and anything I did not use I sold on ebay getting more money back. Unfortunatly the engine in that one was no good so I had to buy another from a dealer who guaranteed it. If the first one had been fine I could have saved another £600 or so.

Everones differant and everyones costs will change. But theres no way I could go as fast or have as much fun with an a serise for the cost that this conversion has set me back.

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 09:05 PM

Thats absolutely fantastic guys, it gives someone like me a great idea of what can be acheived, and what it would cost.

The reason I ask is because I have a MK1 Cooper that I restored, that was hit in the rear (see pic) and it may be written off =]

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I have looked at doing something modified if they do write it off, because another Cooper wouldn't be my car.

I have looked at the promotive kit and the Z cars one, the z cars one is way too expensive.

The promotive kit looks about the right money!

Cheers

john

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 09:14 PM

I have looked at doing something modified if they do write it off, because another Cooper wouldn't be my car.

I have looked at the promotive kit and the Z cars one, the z cars one is way too expensive.

The promotive kit looks about the right money!


You can spend as much as it wants to take on either, but with the pro-mo kit you still got a mini to convert back easy if you decide to pull the engine and kit out?

Thats a real shame on your above accident, not good to see.

Hopefully you can buy it back from the insurance company as its looks fantastic =]

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 09:31 AM

I have looked at doing something modified if they do write it off, because another Cooper wouldn't be my car.

I have looked at the promotive kit and the Z cars one, the z cars one is way too expensive.

The promotive kit looks about the right money!


You can spend as much as it wants to take on either, but with the pro-mo kit you still got a mini to convert back easy if you decide to pull the engine and kit out?

Thats a real shame on your above accident, not good to see.

Hopefully you can buy it back from the insurance company as its looks fantastic =]



Thats what i'm hoping for, to buy it back and put it back on the road. But if not, then I will do something different. A Blaze orange 1275GT look-a-like with Promotive power would fit the bill! I've always liked the idea of 1100 rpm and bike power in a mini!

That is one of the BIG bonuses about the Promotive kit, for me, being able to easily return your car back to a-series if you want.

Keep building those cars and inspiring me!!

john

Edited by Minimade, 12 May 2009 - 09:37 AM.


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Posted 12 May 2009 - 11:12 AM

Fast tickover? lol =]




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