16 replies to this topic

[floydrob]

as above, i have a 1992 cooper shell i'm going to sell. the rear end is very solid, but requires new sills, doorstep and floorpan section for the front drivers side as it was crashed. only the damaged areas need attention, rest is solid.

it's not a rolling shell because i've used the subframes for my mini, but i could make it rolling for extra.

doesnt have boot, bonner or doors.

it's chery red pearl in colour.

erm...what more info is needed?

[Senile Old Git]

With that damage I personally would weigh it in, I am sure you would not want to put that back on the road with a 17 year old behind the wheel

Edited by Senile Old Git, 15 February 2010 - 04:50 PM.

[Guess-Works.com]

so no engine, interior or actually what makes it a mini apart from a bent shell ?

[Boycie]

Don't really understand the comments above... it's advertised as a shell, not a complete car and the damage is only what you'd be replacing anyway, due to rust.

How straight is the floor? You said you used both subframes, was the front one still straight?

[slyoldfox2001]

its worth a call to old 'rag bone' man !!

pure scrap value only

[Senile Old Git]

it's advertised as a shell, not a complete car and the damage is only what you'd be replacing anyway, due to rust.

Or is it accident damage that deems replacement???, the front subframe mounts to the floor, if the integrity of that mount is twisted the car will never drive straight and if recommissioned to a road going car it may likened to a loaded gun ..

[floydrob]

the front subframe was straight. i checked it before putting it on mine. the tie rod took the dmage. other than that, new front panel and new wing. drivers sill and doorstep, and it will be good to go.

i'm not scrapping it whatever happens.

i could repair it myself one weekend and then sell it. how much then since i've had no sensible valuations?

so a 1992 cooper shell, solid, no rust.? and then what for it rolling? i.e would it be worth me sticking subframes on it?

[Senile Old Git]

To check the shell is straight after any accident you need to put that on a Car-O-Liner, standing back thinking that looks OK is not acceptable .. ask any parent who has lost children in a car accident!

If a few quid is that important to you, that is your prerogative, but if that shell is bent and it ends up spinning 360 degrees in the path of a truck I presume you can live with that .......





SCRAP IT

Edited by Senile Old Git, 15 February 2010 - 07:52 PM.

[Boycie]

I can see the argument, and I totally agree that a 'shell should be 100% square and correct.. but what I'd also like to say is, that if you're going along the lines (no pun intended!) of scrapping anything that isn't A1, then 90% of so-called 'restored' Minis out there are also 'unsafe'.

I don't think I have EVER seen anyone on this, or any other forum have their 'shell measured correctly on a jig after doing major bodywork replacement, whether this is due to rust or accident damage. How often so you see some enthusiastic beginner cut big lumps out of their car without bracing or measuring anything first..

I suppose it all comes down to the skill and experience of the person doing the work.

[Senile Old Git]

That damage is fairly hard, our learned friend states the "floorpan section for the front drivers side as it was crashed" as you know that is a front subframe mounting component.

That means in my very limited knowledge ( and I am being sarcastic) that the subframe may of moved, possibly twisting all the subframe mounts.

It is worth at best say £75.00, so why are we discussing this issue? Comments like "i'm not scrapping it whatever happens" fill me with horror as it smacks of money comes first regardless of the consequences

[floydrob]

i asked for a valuation, not a lecture

i've measured subframe mount to subframe mount diagonally and along the length of the car, and there are no distortions there.

i also placed on a level floor...sits square, doesnt rock. i also measured the distance from ground to the shock mount, and they are also the same on both sides.

fitted the windscreen to make sure the hole hadnt been altered..fits fine

fitted door...fits fine with an even gap.

what more can i do to make sure it's straight?

i'll put it on the road myself because as far as i can tell...measuring, not just standing back and looking...it's only the front that is damaged. and i trust my own judgement.

and the floorpan only needs replaced because the corner, where the inner wing meets the floor is distorted, as is the doorstep and sill. the accident damage is very much one side only...the subframe mounting is far more central.

i'll get it on a jig to determine the structure. might not me worth much, but it's wasteful to scrap it. if anything i'd be taking the good panels off it and then scrapping the remainder.

Edited by floydrob, 15 February 2010 - 08:26 PM.

[Shifty]

I'd rather repair rust damage than accident damage anyday.

With rust you have a square starting point, also since the damage hasn't been fixed it can also be assumed that someone else has decided that it wasn't worth fixing prior to this

I also agree that theres a lot of restos done without the proper bacing and measurements. I've taken some flack for pointing this out to people as well.

I'm with the SoG, from the sounds of it the floorpans been pushed up, if the subbys square then the impact will have been absorbed by something, in this case the shell.

Thats a scrapper, maybe make a trailer out of it.

Also from a legal point of view, I don't think it can be returned to the road without an ID.

Edited by shiftyseamus, 15 February 2010 - 08:18 PM.

[olds_kool_lews]

my mini was in similar condition when i bought it, needed a new wing, front panel, bonnet, inner wing.... but the shell was straight as an arrow, i even drove it home, probably a silly thing to do as im sure some of you out there will point out how silly, but id say as most of the shell is sound, this will help keep the shell straight, but if the floor has taken an impact, and is wrinkled, it will need to be checked for straightness, and if its not, it will need to be pulled and straightened, so if its bent, no more than £70, if its straight needing a front end and a few localised repairs, prob bout £150 as its just a bare shell, rolling, maybe £200 at a push

[floydrob]

my mini was in similar condition when i bought it, needed a new wing, front panel, bonnet, inner wing.... but the shell was straight as an arrow, i even drove it home, probably a silly thing to do as im sure some of you out there will point out how silly, but id say as most of the shell is sound, this will help keep the shell straight, but if the floor has taken an impact, and is wrinkled, it will need to be checked for straightness, and if its not, it will need to be pulled and straightened, so if its bent, no more than £70, if its straight needing a front end and a few localised repairs, prob bout £150 as its just a bare shell, rolling, maybe £200 at a push

Thanks Lewis

why couldnt one of the above sherlock holmes' have said that before. lol

[shorty]

It is worth at best say £75.00, so why are we discussing this issue? Comments like "i'm not scrapping it whatever happens" fill me with horror as it smacks of money comes first regardless of the consequences

urm one of the 'sherlock homes' did say it earlier

Edited by shorty, 15 February 2010 - 08:37 PM.