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[Lloydie Boy]

Hey people, i am just hoping to get some info on things really. i currently train in PKA Kickboxing and am thinking about taking on a 2nd disapline aswell.

i guy i train with in PKA as suggested doing MMA something like Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

Does anyone on here doing anything like this or have done and is it good to do? I want something that will be interesting testing and will help towards fittness really.

Thanks guys

[maggies_minder]

im at assistant instructor level in jiu jitsu, im a light blue belt, which leaves dark blue, brown (when you get your own club) then dan etc.

my instructor teaches the police for a living (i think) and has trained with the iceman chuck liddel.

i havent trained in just over a year though

[Lloydie Boy]

cool, although not training for a year can't help ya much. is it good? i mean im guessing it will be a hell of alot diff to kickboxing.

where do you do yours then and how long have you been doing it?

sorry for 21 questions

[maggies_minder]

i trained at birmingham city uni (formerly UCE), and often at aston uni aswell.
pretty much every uni in the uk has a jiu jitsu club from the jitsu foundation (TJF)

its good, i just lost my way with it and obviously the one thing you need is commitment.
we dabbled in judo as its similar and a lot of the throws and locks are adapted from judo for the street so to speak.
we also done a little boxing, but mainly for conditioning.

theres a lot of throws and locks as i said, i no all the locks the police are taught and the counters then reaplication, (could come in handy lmao)
wrist locks, arm locks, leg locks, and head locks.

you learn knife, bottle, chain, kosh, and pick axe/katana (samurai sword) defence.
two and three person acts (them coming at you at once like they would in real life)
also one from the front one from behind, like the one behind picks you off the floor then the second lays in.

the gradings are brutal, if you get taken to the floor, your left to fight for your life, ive seen numerous people leave gradings in ambulances.
should you be placed in a choke, you will recieve its full application, until you pass out, you will then be dragged out by your feet and allowed to recover.

i had my nose broken when i was put in an arm lock (not in a grading just normal training), the only way to get away from the pain is to bend down towards the floor, which i did when i recieved a foot to the face, my fault for not fully blocking and his for going at me full force when we were only training at a moderate level.

Edited by maggies_minder, 27 May 2010 - 10:11 PM.

[Lloydie Boy]

man that sound tough.

does sound worth it though with all that training you get. theres a MMA training center near me so might have a look there. it's all to do with cage fighting there.

but it would always be good to have another disapline under my belt

[EpicB]

I've trained in Judo for 12 years - started when i was 6 And found it excellent for discipline and fitness, Got Very competitive and fought and medalled at Nationals and competed internationally a few times too, But seriously messed up my shoulder doing it which has left me with stretched ligaments in both shoulders and continually subluxed and dislocating shoulders, Had arthrograms and every other scan on them and nothing they can do because of my age (18) and the elasticity of the ligament (may tighten when i get older)

So then I started to train in Muay Thai which is absolutly savage lol, My coach trained under the legendary master Sken so is Very competitive, but I havn't been doing it long so won't be competing for a while yet, But when I do compete (when shoulder is stronger) I'll compete in MMA because of my strong background in Grappling, I have an Ex world champion jiu Jitsu fighter in my area so will probably start training with him (he's also obviously amazing at judo too so will help with that)

My advice would be to avoid any sort of "MMA GYM" as they're more often than not just concentrated at fighting as a whole, and you'd be far better learning other disciplines separately, as you'll concentrate on mastering the fine points of each art (you're more likely to be coached by a far better technician/practitioner) Then if you want to compete in MMA then maybe visit an MMA gym to spar with guys as you'll pick up different variations of things, but definatly learn the basics/majority of your arts at specific Academies and Gyms. As you'll be a far more technical and strategic fighter, the "MMA Gyms" are only really good for tailoring techniques to a more generalised fighting style (from my experience)

Edited by EpicB, 30 May 2010 - 01:00 AM.

[EpicB]

like maggies-minder, I've also seen guys pass out on the mat, seen neck breaks, back breaks plenty of arm breaks (mostly due to throws) which could be handy if you get mugged in the street and you know judo and they don't

From my (very biased opinion, lol) I'd suggest training in judo, as the throws come in very handy in close encounters and the ground work is easily sufficient to choke, arm lock, or restrain anyone on the ground, and as a general art probable has an advantage over BJJ (as BJJ was developed by the Gracie Family as a daughter product of judo - They took the ground grappling of judo and developed it into the modern day BJJ) and BJJ is no doubt superior than judo for submissions, but in terms of all round general advantages, judo probably outweighs BJJ as the throws are very effective in normal combat and although BJJ do work on take downs, they would not be so;

1. Effective
and 2. Painful


but the above is if you would just want to learn another martial art, If you want to compete MMA you ideally want to train in more than just two, so what I will be doing is training BJJ along side my judo as this will make my grappling game very strong (both standing and ground) and use the Muay thai as my striking art.

Judo's grading is similar to bjj, but (assuming you're over 16) grades are determined up to green belt by theory and technique, To progress further you require to fight for your grade and will compete in grade banded competitions (often open weight too if there arn't enough grading!) with the winner and often runners up being awarded the next grade.

black belt or Dan Grades can be awarded one of two ways..... either the above (if Training under the BJC - British Judo Council) or on a points based system under the BJA - British Judo Association, The BJa is the main judo organization (if thats the right word) but either are sufficiant, I train BJC but have entered and won many BJA competitions, so it doesnt really matter which you train with, unless you want to be in the olympics in which case the BJA are where the teams are selected from (I trained BJA for a while but had to travel 100miles twice a week to train which was too much) and as far as the quality of the judo is concerned, both are exactly the same, The only differences betwen the organizations are the grading (as explained) and some of the rules (mostly only affecting the younger competitors)

Hope this has been a bit informative and Helpful! If you're looking for a good club, look on the BJC and BJA websites (also look at the competition results to see who are getting the best results)

If you want any more info just PM me and I'll be happy to help