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#1 mab01uk

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 08:21 PM

Interesting editorial from this weeks Autocar magazine about a new MINI-Minor :angel: :

Why MINI needs to expand - up and down
"The economics of the car business are harsh. So harsh that a successful company like MINI still struggles to make a profit.
The answer according to MINI’s paymasters in Munich, is to turn the British icon into a ‘brand’. For which you can read that BMW is planning a huge expansion of the range.
This week we’ve driven the first fruits of that plan: the MINI Countryman. Traditionalists will hate this supersized Mini. The rest of us, though can appreciate a genuinely new, talented and fresh looking rival to the Golf, as well as crossovers such as the Nissan Qashqai.
That’s not all, either: this week we’ve uncovered MINI’s secret plan to return to its roots with a baby car. Known internally as the MINI Minor, a nod to the company’s Morris roots, the all-new car is due to hit the streets in 2014 and is likely to be exactly the same length as the Alec Issigonis original.
If MINI does make a Minor, that’s another brand extension we’ll be awaiting with great anticipation.”

More about the 'MINI-Minor' now on the Autocar website here:
Mini starts city car project - Autocar.co.uk

MINI starts city car project
"MINI has kicked off studies into an affordable city car as part of a programme aimed at boosting sales by adding new models at the lower end of its line-up.
Described as a Smart Fortwo rival, the new model is aimed at complementing parent company BMW’s Megacity project. It will use conventional technology and modular mechanical components employed across the German car maker’s line-up to keep development costs down and hit profit targets.
Mini has long argued that cars smaller than its popular three-door lacked the profitability to be sustainable in the longer term. “The question we’ve asked ourselves all along is: how do we make money at this level?” a source within the firm told us.
But with BMW now committed to a three-cylinder engine and its officials investing heavily in new production techniques, Mini appears confident it can now build a solid business case for an ultra-frugal city car.
“Nothing is decided just yet,” said our source. “It is all at an early stage of conception. But there is a lot of momentum behind it right now. We may be ready to show a concept within the next 12 months or perhaps a little longer.”
Mini is tight-lipped about whether its city car will be a two or four-seater, and whether the engine will be at the front or rear.
Autocar has been told that Mini officials are keen to ensure it stretches to no longer than 3050mm — the length of the original Issigonis-engineered Mini. That would make it a good 700mm shorter than the modern-day version but some 300mm longer than today’s Smart.
Proposals for the new Mini are being developed primarily in Munich, although BMW’s design thinktank DesignWorks in Los Angeles is also contributing ideas to the project, which one official referred to by the name ‘Minor’.
Mini’s renewed interest in city cars follows Smart’s recent announcement that it plans to develop the next Fortwo with Renault, which is expected to sell its own styled version from 2014.
The last Mini city car concept to be made public was the Spiritual in 1997, three years after BMW’s takeover of the Rover Group. Shown in three and five-door form, it had an 800cc, rear-mounted three-cylinder engine."

See the Mini Spiritual concept pictures:
Mini - Picture Gallery - Autocar.co.uk

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 08:27 PM

If it looks anything like that I'll cut out my eyes so I never have to see it... :angel:

They're making a mini MINI. That's quite funny.

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 08:59 PM

well, you can kind of see how some parts of that are similar to the original mini, however it does just look like a bag of douche. why dont they just stop messing around and ust build them with the same shells as the older ones but with reinforcement and crumple zones for safety issues, and just put your modern mod-cons in it and all that safety lark like airbags and stuff.

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 09:44 PM

The photos in the article have been widely available for around 10 years and are of the original concept cars that Rover designers came up with prior to BMW choosing the Frank Stephenson design that became the original New MINI in 2000 - amazes me that people haven't seen these before! At the time the designs were actually far more original and ground breaking (like the original) than the rather more conventional retro packaging that became the New MINI.

Thanks for posting this mab01uk, despite loving the R50 and 53 versions of the MINI I've felt for a while that BMW/MINI were getting rather too far away from the original concept with more recent models and if this project comes to fruition I'll be very interested to see what they come up with and hope it does stick with size suggested by the article (although gawd knows how they'll fit all the airbags and crash protection into that package unless they go for a 2 seater, which IMHO would again be a divergence from the original conception of what a Mini was).

I'll be keeping an eye on this project (whilst trying not to be ill when I see the first Countymans pn the road lol).

Edited by roga, 01 June 2010 - 09:44 PM.


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Posted 01 June 2010 - 09:45 PM

Well seeing as BMW is the parent company I can make a pretty good guess that it will have the same underpinnings as this if it ever hits production:

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 09:46 PM

The nearer one looks better but still dont like it that much

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 09:50 PM

Wow, good news good news :angel:

better not be fighting me for parking spaces though! Lol

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 10:01 PM

If it looks anything like that I'll cut out my eyes so I never have to see it... :angel:

They're making a mini MINI. That's quite funny.


The photos shown in the Autocar article are actually a Rover proposal for the Mini replacement called Spiritual and shown in three and five-door form, it had an 800cc, rear-mounted three-cylinder engine, subframes and Hydragas suspension. They were rejected as too radical by BMW in October 1995 in favour of the alternative New MINI concept as launched in 2001 designed by Frank Stephenson, engineered by Rover and financed by BMW.

Edited by mab01uk, 01 June 2010 - 10:04 PM.


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Posted 01 June 2010 - 10:05 PM

So are they bringing it out?

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 10:08 PM

well, you can kind of see how some parts of that are similar to the original mini, however it does just look like a bag of douche. why dont they just stop messing around and ust build them with the same shells as the older ones but with reinforcement and crumple zones for safety issues, and just put your modern mod-cons in it and all that safety lark like airbags and stuff.


Re-engineering the classic Mini was considered before with the Minki 1 and 2 concepts:
Link to the full story:
http://www.austinmem...e46/page46.html

Minki-I
"The thinking behind the replacement for the Mini started back in about 1992, while under the ownership of British Aerospace and called at that time The Rover Group.
So how was the name MINKI arrived at, simple, put a ‘K’ series engine into a Mini and you have MINKI.
At the time the general feeling was that because the design was then thirty three years old, technology had moved on so much, and with new legislation on emissions and crash testing etc., that it was best to start with a clean sheet."

The first part of the concept stage was to do an appraisal of the current Mini and see how improvements could be made.

1) Improve the powerunit, by installing the ‘K’ series engine with a 5- ---speed gearbox
2) Improve the suspension, by installing hydragas suspension.
3) Improve the driving position, by installing better seats, altering the ---rack of the steering column, and along with the fascia / controls
4) Improve its overall luggage capacity, by making it into a hatchback ----and altering the rear end package.

Minki-II
"1995 arrived, and so did BMW! They were surprised that we had such a strong brand of Mini, but no plans to do anything with it. Plans for a new Mini were required, and a ‘competition’ was set up, for later on in 1995, to decide on the route forward.
It was decided that a part of that event should be a vehicle that represented what current Mini could have become if investment and development had been put into the Mini over many years. This vehicle would then act as a better benchmark than a standard current Mini for judging what the new Mini needed to beat.
Fortunately, all of the old Minki-I stuff had just been scrapped off, so a Minki-II was hastily required! I say fortunately, because in comparison, the Minki-II project was a very grand affair! By this time, our senior management had seen BMW in operation, and were impressed by the way that they did everything properly, with very high quality prototype vehicles, excellent engineering, etc. Minki-II had to live up to this standard. Great! It was a proper project, with designers and even a few bought-out parts!"

(Minki-II can be seen on show at the Gaydon Motor Museum)

Edited by mab01uk, 01 June 2010 - 10:13 PM.


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Posted 01 June 2010 - 10:10 PM

what the hell is that car, its a mess!!

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 10:12 PM

So are they bringing it out?


Not the Rover Sprituals shown in Autocars article.............it would be a completely new design by the MINI design team at BMW.

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 10:18 PM

Well seeing as BMW is the parent company I can make a pretty good guess that it will have the same underpinnings as this if it ever hits production:

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The possible replacement for this classic 1957 BMW Isetta bubble car!
http://microcarmuseu...wisetta250.html

Edited by mab01uk, 01 June 2010 - 10:18 PM.


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Posted 01 June 2010 - 10:36 PM

The possible replacement for this classic 1957 BMW Isetta bubble car!
http://microcarmuseu...wisetta250.html

Yup, but no Mini replacement which has to be a proper 4 seat car if they really are getting closer to the 'real' Mini concept.

Basically to claim true Mini credentials the car has to be IMHO, at least in 1 model version, a small, cheap 4 seater (as in one of the the Spiritual concepts back in 1995).

Don't get me wrong, IMHO the R50/53s were MINIs, I drive one as well as a classic, but they aren't Minis in the Issigonis sense, they're great cars and have similar characteristics in a driving sense (at last for a modern car) but they are essentially too big and more recent versions have got even bigger.

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 10:49 PM

it resembles a smart car lol! but im not to keen on that!




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