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#1 Brams96

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 01:18 PM

I've noticed in the last couple of magazines I've got that there are pictures of the old mini race cars with vent holes in the A-panels.

I know they are to reduce the air pressure built up under the wings but is this something that could be practically incorporated into a daily driven car? Maybe something like the BMW M3 style or the Ford Focus RS vents could be used?

It wouldn't be for 'the look' or 'chaving' purposes but for practical/performance purposes of reducing the lift/heat under the wing(s). How much of a reduction of pressure could be expected & what improvement would there be in the air flow/heat reduction under the passenger wing?

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 01:25 PM

If you look at any mini racers none of them have vents in their wings so for a day to day vehicle i don't think it will serve any purpose. Mini wheel arches are open as much as possible anyway

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 02:20 PM

In fact the wheel spinning round creates a low pressure, sucking air around it in. It generally exits under the car, so no point really. It's one of those, one person did it then everyone copied without really understanding why.

The only benefit that I can see is that when stationary, the hot air from the rad will maybe exit easier.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 02:25 PM

There was an article in mini magazine about it. I don't pretend to know anything about aerodynamics. But the magazine explained, that when travelling along, the air travels into the inner wings, creating an area of high preasure. I can't remember if it caused drag or lift or whatever, but the a-panel vents reduced this.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 02:32 PM

I remember seeing a picture of a TVR, (Tuscan) I think it was, It had loads of vents along the top of the wing that looked very cool....I think they were to aid brake cooling when the car was stopped. But a Mini's wheels are not exactly enclosed in the arch so I see no advantage to vents of any sort.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 02:46 PM

There was an article in mini magazine about it. I don't pretend to know anything about aerodynamics. But the magazine explained, that when travelling along, the air travels into the inner wings, creating an area of high preasure. I can't remember if it caused drag or lift or whatever, but the a-panel vents reduced this.


I remember reading that article, they used a red race mini & a wind tunnel for testing various ideas/myths. I was pretty sure it said it created lift under the wing therefore vents should reduce the lift & aid the air flow over the rad. I will have to dig this article out tonight.

In fact the wheel spinning round creates a low pressure, sucking air around it in. It generally exits under the car, so no point really. It's one of those, one person did it then everyone copied without really understanding why.


I remember the article showing a picture (like thermal but for pressure) about the wheels & I'm sure the front of the wheel had a high pressure in front of it. It also debunked theories like raising the back of your bonnet to aid airflow to actually suck air in, so in fact useless.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 03:40 PM

I remember seeing a picture of a TVR, (Tuscan) I think it was, It had loads of vents along the top of the wing that looked very cool....I think they were to aid brake cooling when the car was stopped. But a Mini's wheels are not exactly enclosed in the arch so I see no advantage to vents of any sort.



That's a TVR Sagaris and there aren't actually any vents on the production cars as they had problems with stones flicking through them and cracking the windscreens.


In theory vents in the 'A' panels would help to level out of air pressure inside the wing but on a road car I highly doubt you would notice any measurable difference. On the up side it would mean less steel to rust away. :thumbsup:

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 03:42 PM

I think they were to aid brake cooling when the car was stopped


Those vents in a TVR's wings are actually there to allow stones flicked up by the wheels to destroy the windscreen, aiding the car in its mission to murder its occupants.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 07:14 PM

I think they were to aid brake cooling when the car was stopped


Those vents in a TVR's wings are actually there to allow stones flicked up by the wheels to destroy the windscreen, aiding the car in its mission to murder its occupants.

Ahhh yes!! I forgot how sadistic the TVR is...still backwards on fire through the pearly gates....what a way to go.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 08:47 PM

I think they were to aid brake cooling when the car was stopped


Those vents in a TVR's wings are actually there to allow stones flicked up by the wheels to destroy the windscreen, aiding the car in its mission to murder its occupants.

Ahhh yes!! I forgot how sadistic the TVR is...still backwards on fire through the pearly gates....what a way to go.


that's if it hasn't broken down on the way there

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 09:37 PM

At my work i cremated a bloke who crashed his tvr, was texting while driving at ridiculous speed and went straight under a parked lorry... lets just say there wasnt a great deal to cremate... eek!

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 10:23 PM

Feb 2010 Mini World Issue has the article on Aerodynamics, starting pg 60.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 04:43 PM

There wasn't anything in the article about vents in the wing/A-panel just about vents in the bonnet. It did say there was a 6% reduction in grip at 80mph due to the amount of lift.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 04:48 PM

Feb 2010 Mini World Issue has the article on Aerodynamics, starting pg 60.


Aerodynamics....And......Mini......Two words I never expected to see in the same sentence.....LOL...

And the TVR death story!!!!!......YUK!!

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 08:41 PM

I think they were to aid brake cooling when the car was stopped


Those vents in a TVR's wings are actually there to allow stones flicked up by the wheels to destroy the windscreen, aiding the car in its mission to murder its occupants.


Haha along with no door handles, wing mirrors you can't see out of, gear boxes that don't stay in 2nd or 3rd gear at low revs, brakes that work when they feel like, over heating, random small fires happeneing under bonnet and soft top falling off at 70 mph.

just few things gone wrong with my dads mates TVR...




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