Jump to content


Photo
- - - - -

123 Ignition


  • Please log in to reply
11 replies to this topic

#1 Jellevandok

Jellevandok

    Mini Mad

  • Noobies
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 100 posts

Posted 18 July 2011 - 08:37 AM

Hi there,

I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with the 123 ignition system. It seems like a good product but I've also read that people weren't happy when running above 6500 rpm. There is a guy selling his on ebay saying he's selling it due to not being able to find the right advancement curves. As I'm building a trackday car with a 1380 which should go up to 7000 RPM... Interested if someone here can tell me about his/hers experiences.

Jelle

#2 northy

northy

    Mini Mad

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 204 posts
  • Location: Otley, Leeds
  • Local Club: LCMOC

Posted 18 July 2011 - 10:13 AM

+1

#3 oliver122

oliver122

    One Carb Or Two?

  • TMF+ Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,007 posts
  • Location: Stoke-on-Trent

Posted 18 July 2011 - 02:09 PM

defently get a mega jolt if its going to be a track day car, especially if it will be constantly being revved hard

#4 Gulfclubby

Gulfclubby

    Gulf Boy

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 751 posts
  • Name: Ben
  • Location: Bern
  • Local Club: Berner Mini Club

Posted 18 July 2011 - 03:04 PM

Well, you could go for a 123 tune. They don't currently offer it for a mini pre-made, but you could have one made or do it yourself. The "tune" is mappable, thus you are no longer dependent on the programmed advance curves (which are designed for the stock engines). Whether a megajolt then still has any relevant advantages over the 123 is beyond my knowledge. From what I understand the only real difference is where the rpm are read from (crank vs. cam).

But I have no experience with either, the Aldon yellow is just fine for me and nicely low tech, too.

Edited by Gulfclubby, 18 July 2011 - 03:05 PM.


#5 Bungle

Bungle

    Original Spamster

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 28,971 posts
  • Location: Cornwall
  • Local Club: cornish mini club

Posted 18 July 2011 - 03:11 PM

a friend fitted one to his camper and was pleased with the results over the stock dizzy

going over to megajolt would be a alternative with more adjustment

#6 english-bully

english-bully

    Mini Mad

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 281 posts
  • Local Club: " CREWE'S MISSILES "

Posted 18 July 2011 - 08:05 PM

I run 123 dizzys in two of my minis and cant fault them,never had an issue with finding the correct advance nor any problems over 7k

#7 MJWarren

MJWarren

    One Carb Or Two?

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 705 posts
  • Local Club: DCMOC

Posted 18 July 2011 - 08:51 PM

Why does everyone love megajolts?

A 123 ignition will be fine ill be using one on my engine which is also 1380 and will rev over 6500rpm

#8 Pigeonto

Pigeonto

    One Carb Or Two?

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 973 posts
  • Location: Nr Colchester Essex
  • Local Club: ISMOC

Posted 18 July 2011 - 09:04 PM

+1

+ 1 MORE

#9 mini13

mini13

    Up Into Fourth

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,810 posts

Posted 18 July 2011 - 09:55 PM

because they are better,

with the MJ you get a 3d map so you can get a proper advance at part throttle, also it eliminates any spark scatter.




Why does everyone love megajolts?

A 123 ignition will be fine ill be using one on my engine which is also 1380 and will rev over 6500rpm



#10 mk1leg

mk1leg

    Crazy About Mini's

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,343 posts
  • Location: Jersey
  • Local Club: Mini Club Jersey, MCR

Posted 18 July 2011 - 10:39 PM

I have a 123 dizzy fitted to my 1380 and before i fitted I always reajusting timming but since I fitted a 123 have not needed to touch it and its so easy to install.......much quicker to install then a megs-jolt .............. ^_^

#11 Jellevandok

Jellevandok

    Mini Mad

  • Noobies
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 100 posts

Posted 22 July 2011 - 09:56 PM

much quicker to install then a megs-jolt ..............


The 123 costs about twice as much, £288.00inc vat or £334.80inc vat. Pretty sure thats the old version as well. So in all fairness it should be quicker to fit. Plus you need a special dizzy cap iirc, at about twenty odd quid.

It still relies on a wobbly timing chain, so isn't as accurate as the megajolts crank fired ignition.

Megajolt about 105 quid, now including rev limiter and serial cable. Plus there will be postage and import duty, if your unlucky. That'll add another 40 quid to the price, 20 quid for the ford bits from a scrappy and 20 to 45 quid for a pulley from triggerwheels depending on what you can do yourself. So about 200 quid altogether, leaving you 88 or 134 quid to get it set up on a rolling road.

At the end of the day, if your really bothered about your timing there is no competition. The megajolt (or similar)is the way to go.



There was a v4 for sale here missing a trigger wheel. Is there a lot of difference between versions? Where can I buy the total package? (including install instructions). What kind of ford do I need the bits from? There is a scrap yard round the corner here so all should be available...

#12 jaydee

jaydee

    Crazy About Mini's

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,565 posts

Posted 23 July 2011 - 02:52 PM

I run a 123 in the rally car which revs fine to 7k rpm.
Its an extremely expensive item compared to the megajolt.
AFAIK the MJ is fully mappable so it also gives you better option over the 123 which offers you only a choice of curves taken from other dizzies, and most of them are useless.
I use some curves from the first group (a bit more racey) or the curve B -works rally mini- which is a good compromise, but i change settings them very often on that car..
The 123 doesnt come with the instructions and a print out of the available curves, but you can find them easily on the web.




1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users