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[1994alex]

Been speaking to a couple of lads today and they asked me what set up i planned to have on my mini race or rally or even both?
In all honesty i didnt have a clue what they were going on about, so i said both as it sounded different.
But yeah as the title says what is a race and rally set up?

Alex

[TopCatCustom]

Race- peaky, lightweight, aimed around one person in car for (usually) short periods of time, wide arches, big brakes thus bigger wheels etc

Rally- torquey, well engineered to take major abuse, built to house driver and co-driver for long periods of time (heater etc), smaller wheels for bigger tyres etc



.....but I have no idea why someone would ask you what "set up" (both are purpose built really) you plan to have on a road car unless they were talking about something completely different..?!

Edited by C4NN0N, 21 March 2012 - 04:25 PM.

[Cooperman]

Race cars are as light as possible. Rally cars are strong first and foremost.
Rally car suspension is normally slightly raised from standard with wheels at 4.5" or 5" wide. Rally car damping is not too stiff.
Exhaust systems on rally cars are engineered to meet the strict noise levels and use twin-box systems with skid plates and extra/stronger attachment points.
A rally car will have a heater, probably a heated screen, extra rally instrumentation, a sump guard, a battery box shield, interior map reading light, extra power sockets, spotlights/mountings for spotlights, boot capable of two strapped down spare wheels, twin electric fuel pumps, etc.
It will be road-legal, Mot'd and taxed for road use.
Race cars are not normally road-legal and their engines would not be suitable for road-use either, nor would their exhaust noise. Suspension is normally lowered to be suitable for completely smooth race tracks.

Race and rally cars are completely different. A race car would not be able to compete on a rally as, quite simply, it would break.

[racingbob]

you need your car, i imagine road/ race

thats how most cars set up for daily or second fun car

thats how mine set up anyway

[jaydee]

Race and rally cars are completely different. A race car would not be able to compete on a rally as, quite simply, it would break.

My next rally will include a track session. I doubt my heavy and raised rally car will be any good on the track..i will smoke a cigarette on the long straight..

[yousmeg]

you need your car, i imagine road/ race

a lot of the mini companies seem to call this 'fast road'

[TopCatCustom]

Race and rally cars are completely different. A race car would not be able to compete on a rally as, quite simply, it would break.

My next rally will include a track session. I doubt my heavy and raised rally car will be any good on the track..i will smoke a cigarette on the long straight..

Isn't this a bit of a stupid comment? Cooperman said a race car couldn't compete on a rally not the other way round, and if your purpose built rally mini is just as quick as a purpose built track mini I will give you £50.

Everyone knows tarmac plays a large part in rallying, the point was that the cars are different and not ideally suited to the other ones job, grow up...

[abe46]

Race and rally cars are completely different. A race car would not be able to compete on a rally as, quite simply, it would break.

My next rally will include a track session. I doubt my heavy and raised rally car will be any good on the track..i will smoke a cigarette on the long straight..

Isn't this a bit of a stupid comment? Cooperman said a race car couldn't compete on a rally not the other way round, and if your purpose built rally mini is just as quick as a purpose built track mini I will give you £50.

Everyone knows tarmac plays a large part in rallying, the point was that the cars are different and not ideally suited to the other ones job, grow up...

i think he was suggesting he would have enough time to smoke a cigarette on the straight track bit because his rally mini would not be very quick on it. Doesn't look like he was making a stupid comment :/

[jaydee]

Race and rally cars are completely different. A race car would not be able to compete on a rally as, quite simply, it would break.

My next rally will include a track session. I doubt my heavy and raised rally car will be any good on the track..i will smoke a cigarette on the long straight..

Isn't this a bit of a stupid comment? Cooperman said a race car couldn't compete on a rally not the other way round, and if your purpose built rally mini is just as quick as a purpose built track mini I will give you £50.

Everyone knows tarmac plays a large part in rallying, the point was that the cars are different and not ideally suited to the other ones job, grow up...

i think he was suggesting he would have enough time to smoke a cigarette on the straight track bit because his rally mini would not be very quick on it. Doesn't look like he was making a stupid comment :/

Infact..

[Cooperman]

On one rally I did in my Endurance Rally 1991 Cooper 1275 there was a test on the Croft Circuit. As all the cars were sub-1400 cc, which is what Endurance Rallying is about, with standard engines and gearboxes the Mini was quite good when compared with the rougher sections where the modern 1400's were so much easier to do good times in. However, it did seem a bit dull down the straights, even when compared to my 1964 Cooper 'S' FIA Group 2 rally car, but then I was about 30 bhp down on my 'S'.