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#1 mab01uk

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 06:19 PM

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It was launched in 1962 and for the rest of that decade the ADO16 was consistently the UK's best-selling car.

Alec Issigonis told Basil Cardew of the DAILY EXPRESS: ‘We have tried to produce a good looking, functional car- while cutting out as far as possible the risk of things going wrong. My main plan was to design a motor car to travel as efficiently as possible from A to B, with full comfort over really rough roads. The world will decide whether we have succeeded’
New on ARO:
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Developing the big Mini
http://www.aronline....opment-history/

Sadly few have survived due to the fact it rusted even faster than the Mini.......... :ohno:

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 06:55 PM

The 1100/1300 represented a great range of family cars. In particular the MG1300 went really well. I had a friend who had one and we used to do a 'car-share' scheme with each of us using his car on alternate days. The MG was great and very economical compared to the Cortina GT I had back then.
One has to wonder how BMC/BLMC/Austin-Rover/Rover subsequently got it all so wrong and threw away their market share by a combination of bad management and stupid unions.
Very sad really.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 06:57 PM

I've owned several 1100/1300's in the past, it wasn't a bad car in it's day, and all cars rusted like hell in those days! mind you driving it did make you feel a bit seasick sometimes.....

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 07:34 PM

I've owned several 1100/1300's in the past, it wasn't a bad car in it's day, and all cars rusted like hell in those days! mind you driving it did make you feel a bit seasick sometimes.....


Lol, like most old motors then haha

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 07:46 PM

One has to wonder how BMC/BLMC/Austin-Rover/Rover subsequently got it all so wrong and threw away their market share by a combination of bad management and stupid unions.
Very sad really.


I agree it is so very sad, but UK engineering doesn't want to take on the world anymore. There is no ambition there, except for JCB. For gawds sake we invented the damn tools and methods to achieve todays technical know how. You only have to look at how the Indian owners of Jaguar and Land Rover want to beat the Germans and how they are seriously heading the right way. They use there own money and employ a clever German and tell him to get on with it. Look where it is now compared to 10 years ago. Why couldn't a UK owner do that... the last UK owned legacy was MG Rover's collapse.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:18 PM

I had a business in engineering design, computer aided design and technical support for many years and British engineers are still as good as any you'll find anywhere. Look at Formula 1, most teams are UK based because that's where the best engineers are located.
It was not poor engineering which caused the demise, it was bad top management, stupid money-grabbing militant unions and a lack of investment. I saw it all from the business contacts I had in the motor industry and it was very depressing.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:41 PM

There are a lot of international companies out there who do rely heavily on UK know how and technical knowledge in design and development. I work with a guy who was employeed by TATA to engineer and launch the TATA Nano. Yes it's not the world most technical car, quite the opposite in fact lol but it's shows how massive organisations like TATA rely on countries like us.

Yes the Uk screwed up its position in the motor industry, but we have a massive range in talent for specialised development that only the UK can offer.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 09:11 PM

My son lives in France, but works in motor-sport as a design consultant. Most of the guys working with him are Brits and they do the top-end work including the CAE, CFD, Structural Analysis, power-train, etc.
BMC/BLMC/ARG/Rover had a big union problem which was fed by the labour gov't of the 70's and the management did little to resist this as the taxpayer pumped money in to keep producing what was really, in the main, junk. Basically they were a nationalised operation. In particular the Princess range was really badly engineered and they were simply dreadful to drive. They bought Jaguar and nearly ruined that company's reputation for quality. I had a new '78 XJ6 and it was so unreliable I bought a new BMW in 1980 and have had them ever since. I used to do a lot of business with BLMC et al and they were a nightmare to deal with and took 180 days to pay their bills. In the end I told them to 'stuff it' in respect of new business and many other good suppliers did the same. They were doomed even when british Aerospace and hen BMW took them over. It was all too late.
Ford & Vauxhall always produced good cars, but of course that was American money, although the profits were usually re-invested here, or in Europe.
Now Nissan totally engineer about 1/2 of all their vehicle models in the UK and consider themselves a joint UK/Jap operation, Toyota & Honda are also well established here and are as British as Ford & Vauxhall have always been.
As an example of Rover's stupidity, a procurement manager at Rover once told me that I should carry out work for them at cost-price to my company (i.e. profit free!) as it was a priviledge to be a sub-contractor to the only UK car company. The reply was 2 words, the second of which was 'off'! By the same token we could not work for some other motor manufacturers unless we could show that we were making a sensible profit. That says it all.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 10:35 PM

Cooperman really is right here

The unions wrecked British Industry
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 10:45 PM

Cooperman really is right here

The unions wrecked British Industry
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Yes, but to balance that the government (Labour) and the management did not stand up to them. It took a strong politial will, as Thatcher had, to finally stand up to them, but really it was to late and to prevent 'government by unions' she destroyed large chunks of UK industry.
Initially I was a strong Thatcher supporter, but she did go too far in the end.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:04 PM


One has to wonder how BMC/BLMC/Austin-Rover/Rover subsequently got it all so wrong and threw away their market share by a combination of bad management and stupid unions.
Very sad really.


I agree it is so very sad, but UK engineering doesn't want to take on the world anymore. There is no ambition there, except for JCB. For gawds sake we invented the damn tools and methods to achieve todays technical know how. You only have to look at how the Indian owners of Jaguar and Land Rover want to beat the Germans and how they are seriously heading the right way. They use there own money and employ a clever German and tell him to get on with it. Look where it is now compared to 10 years ago. Why couldn't a UK owner do that... the last UK owned legacy was MG Rover's collapse.


This article below by Anthony Bamford of JCB makes some very interesting points about our manufacturing decline in contrast to countries like Germany:

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30 years ago 96 per cent of a JCB digger was made in Britain. Today it is just 36 per cent. WHY?

Read more: http://www.dailymail....#ixzz14MQyLTdz



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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:46 PM

I want a red one so I can give it a dam good thrashing

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 12:07 AM

The body for the 1100 was designed by Pininfarina. Battista (Pinin) Farina had been employed by Austin as a consultant in the early 50s after the Duke of Edinburgh had been critical of the latest designs by Austin’s in-house designer Riccardo (Dick) Burzi. That was before Issigonis arrived at the newly formed BMC. Farina should have designed the body for the Mini but Issigonis took it so far that Farina did not think he could improve it. Issigonis hated car stylists but he respected Farina because he understood the engineering and they became good friends and Farina got to do the 1100. Dick Burzi had little involvement even though he is shown in contemporary movies being explained the concept of the mini by Issigonis and then directing the draftsmen. Burzi was responsible for the Elf and Hornet variants. Issigonis got on with him very well.

Issigonis is often blamed for the decline of BMC because he had too much power and was too radical so it is good to hear his reputation being saved by Sir Graham Day who was head of Rover in the late eighties. Day saved the Mini and was also prepared to listen to John Cooper. He said
“The Mini is interesting in engineering terms because Issigonis and the people who worked with him developed a front wheel drive and it is a sad commentary on British engineering at the time that having developed this and having a substantial world lead it was virtually abandoned and then cars went back to rear wheel drive."

This was because when Leyland took over and Stokes took control Issigonis was sidelined in favour of a Triumph team. You then got the dismal Marina with its Roy Haynes styling (he of Clubman fame/notoriety) and the Allegro, which carried on some of the principles of the 1100 but was styled by Harris Mann, possibly the worst car stylist of all time (Princess, TR7).

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 01:58 PM

Ah, the TR7 - best described as a 'collection of random spare parts in close formation'. My wife had one at the time we first got together and it was a real pile of junk. She got rid of it and we got a Datsun 260Z, then a BMW 323i.

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 03:31 PM

TR7............should have been a convertible from the start but expected USA safety regs that never happened mean't it was launched as a unpopular awkward looking hardtop, also should have had the Rover V8 TR8 from the start but Triumph and Rover had a history of working against each other within the same company........which is why BL ended up with a Triumph designed V8 used in the Stag, even though they already had a perfectly good Rover V8 engine (from USA) available.........also TR7 should have had the potentially excellent 16V Dolomite Sprint engine.....so many oportunities were missed due to internal politics within the many merged companies.........but in the end unreliablity and poor build quality sealed its fate as with so many other BL cars of the era. :(

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