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#1 Andy!

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 10:13 AM

Hey guys, i own a 998cc automatic, now it's not the fastest, and i've always said to myself that im going to change the engine to a manual, prefably a 1275, but the dream for the future would be to fit a completely different engine, like i've seen people fit in the engine conversion section, i was looking at prices for vauxhall engines and they seem to be about the same price as a good 1275.... so i was wondering, how much work/money/time am i looking at if one day i was to complete a vauxhall transfer, gearbox, gears, subframe, everything? i'll probably go for a 1275 first as it's an easy swap, and i aim to try and get an apprenticeship to become a mechanic next year so hopefully will gain experience, i just wanted to start learning about it early.

Oh and by the way before people say "i'd probably sell the mini and get a better one to do work on it" well, i plan to never get rid of this mini, even when i need to buy a sensible bigger car when i get older, my dad has already said he'd buy my mini off me and then when i can afford 2 cars, i can buy it back. So yeah i was just wondering how feasible an engine swap to a vauxhall or something would be? whats the best engine for the job? i want to avoid as much body mods as possible to avoid the whole IVA thing and stuff, but i do aim to get a clubman steel front end, so should have enough room

Edited by Andy!, 14 July 2012 - 10:14 AM.


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Posted 14 July 2012 - 10:25 AM

its not just buying and fitting the vauxhall (or whichever) engine............its the cost of the bespoke subframe that you have to use.......and all of the other bits that you have to change..............and after all that you will need to take a morgtage out to insure it.......and the insurance company will want to have the car checked to make sure that its safe and that the conversion has been carried out correctly before raping a load of money from you.


in other words...................dont bother...... :lol:

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 10:28 AM

there is no easy swap.
you can buy kits but its expensive and time consuming.
keep with the 1275 A series get a good one look after it and it will be fine.

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 10:28 AM

I was going to plan to do this in about 5-10 years, hopefully by then i'll have the experience to do a good job, and hopefully the insurance not kill me =P but i see your logic... hmm, i'm definately changing to a tuned 1275 next year though, it'll give me a chance to deconstruct an engine and get used to it :) thanks for your advice mate

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 10:36 AM

i did a honda conversion to my old race car in 2008, the power and straight line speed was good but in all honesty it killed the car and was a major mistake, a waste of £000 of £ s.
it was 10 seconds a lap slower than a full race A series.

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 10:49 AM

the best way to ruin a road going classic mini is to put a bike/vauxhall/honda/suzuki or any other engine thats not meant for it in the car!......... :ohno:

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 04:24 PM

correct

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 04:39 PM

Im not sure than putting in a bike engine would ruin it, I can see why vtec and such ruin the handling because they weigh more than the A but bike engines are a lot lighter, yeah you need to rev them more but I dont see that being a major issue, and incidentally once I have finished uni I am planning to put in a busa turbo or R1 engine in mine, but the way I change my mind will mean its unlikely to happen, but I can dream all the same!

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 04:50 PM

What I'd be tempted to do is look in the forsale section at the '67 with a micra engine in it...

you have everything you need there, and plus at the end of it, even if you put all the kit into your car, you would also have a very saleable 1967 rolling shell with documentation.

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 08:13 PM

i did a honda conversion to my old race car in 2008, the power and straight line speed was good but in all honesty it killed the car and was a major mistake, a waste of £000 of £ s.
it was 10 seconds a lap slower than a full race A series.


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Posted 14 July 2012 - 08:50 PM

its not just buying and fitting the vauxhall (or whichever) engine............its the cost of the bespoke subframe that you have to use.......and all of the other bits that you have to change..............and after all that you will need to take a morgtage out to insure it.......and the insurance company will want to have the car checked to make sure that its safe and that the conversion has been carried out correctly before raping a load of money from you.


in other words...................dont bother...... :lol:


Not necessarily true.

If you are really careful, get a cheap donor (talking £200 max) and are prepared to build your own frame and shafts then I reckon it could be done for under £1000. My sub frame has cost less than £100 including the rubber mounts although I did have some of the steel already.

You need to be able to corner weight the car properly and set the suspension up so you will most likely need to buy aftermarket suspension parts that are adjustable. Most people complain about the way they handle due to the suspension not being properly set up.

As for insurance you will need to look at specialist. Most main stream insurance companies will charge you a lot but the specialist will give you a better deal. When I was 18 I looked at what the cost would be on my Vauxhall conversion. I was managing to get quotes of £1200 where as my astra at the time was costing me £800. The quotes I got included all the modifications I was going to make (brakes, roll cage, bucket seats, engine etc) and an agreed value of £5k.

As for your insurance company wanting to have it checked. Those that do ask will ask for an engineers report. This is basically a piece of headed paper from a garage saying that the conversion has been done properly. My local classic car specialist said they will do one for £20 and will take about 30 minuets to do.

When I did the auto to manual conversion on my mini no-one asked.

As for work and time. I have so far spent over 4 years on mine although that has included a full resto. So far I have a shell with a roll cage in it and the engine sitting in my home built frame. Bucket seats are mounted, pedals, steering and one side front suspension. I have a load of parts painted waiting to be fitted and that is about it. A pre built kit will be quicker but a home built frame will be cheaper. It depends on your skill level. If you are going to build your own frame then you need to be able to weld and have good fabrication skills.

Hayling over on 16v miniforum did prove that if you have a long weekend (4 days) then you can pull off an engine conversion but he is a very experienced car builder. I reckon with my experience (3 years mechanical engineering degree, 1 year Automotive Msc and about a dozen like for like engine swaps on cars) it would take me about a month assuming I had the money, all the parts and nothing else on.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 01:23 AM

I can see why vtec and such ruin the handling because they weigh more than the A.


The d-series weighs 30lbs less than an A. With roughly 130bhp. Handling getting ruined probably from torque steer or maybe because it simply feels different.




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