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#1 Black.Ghost

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 02:09 PM

Firstly, I apologise for Offft - its a new term of exclamation I have picked up working with the Scots.

Well as many of you will know, Oliver the SPi Cooper has been sent away for 6 months to have a few repairs and a respray, in red after much discussion with myself on it.

Well I had an email today from the guy doing the work, with some pics. It turns out there is more need doing than I thought. Originally the work was going to cost around 1500-2000, for a front panel, what I thought were a few little repair patches and then the spray.

It now needs front panel, two inner wingers, probably bulk head or at least a substantial repair, door step, inner sill (the guy has said it was repaired with just a giant bit of steel!), boot floor, battery box, door post, a panels, probably outer wings although thats not confirmed yet. And thats all before the car has really been stripped. I am sending the guy an email reference the work etc, but this could potentially increase the cost by another k at least (for panels and labour mostly). Fortunately the engine is still in decent nick, so thats not too bad. I was going to make some upgrades (Stage 3 kit) and chuck in a gearbox refurb and minor upgrades for the box to handle the increase in power by Guessworks. When you factor in all that, as well as the cost of other inevitable expenses (I already knew it needed a new loom for example) and its going to be pushing 5-6 easily. In the parts already uncovered, its full of filler and bodged repairs. Im concerned about what else has been bodged as well now and what other nasty surprises await when its all taken apart.

On top of that, I was going to be rebuilding it all myself after the paint job, so I wouldn't even have the car to use for a while either.

Now Im thinking what the best course of action is. I was going to sell it a while ago, but then I had a nephew and my sister named it Oliver so I decided to keep it and pass it down one day. However, financially, it really doesn't make much sense when I can get other cars for a lot less than 5-6k and be on the road straight away.

So my three options are;
1. Keep going as planned and just suck up the cost. Major pro - I keep the same car. Major con - the cost & time
2. Sell Oliver (as a project in parts) and use the money for a new mini, hopefully with less bodges! Major pro - in a strong buying position when I get back so should be able to get a really good car at a good price. Major con - no more Oliver :(
3. Keep the car, find somewhere to store it and rebuild it slow time and teach myself to weld. Buy another mini as my main one and take my time over Oliver. Major pro, new mini to drive and keep Oliver, major con, ages until Oliver is back on the road.

What would you guys do? I need to get more info from the guy doing it all before I decide fully, but at the moment I think I am heading towards the third option. I think there could be some good bargains around to be had. It also means I can use the money saved (the difference between about 6k and the cost of the mini) for kit for welding etc. Having said that, I do want a S Works MPi car, so I might not save much after all!

What are your thoughts on the state of the car? I'm thinking more bodges will turn up and make things even worse. Im really annoyed I bought yet another filler filled mini! In my defence, it was about 5 years ago before I even knew of this place. And it looked so shiny. I'll try and add the pics the guy sent me as well.

#2 Alex_B

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 02:17 PM

I would say stick with the 3rd option, means you gain a skill, the pleasure of knowing its done right, will cost less as nobody counts their own time, and you keep both cars!

plus you wont get much for oliver as a project if its as bad as it sounds

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 02:21 PM

mate unless you can buy a mini thats just been restored the day b4, suck up the cost and get it done! any mini you buy will have bodges and you can mask a lot with a new coat of paint!!
ill be in this postion myself nxt yr and im just goin for it, ill never sell it so being financially viable dont come in to it!
if you have the money (4-5k) for your man to do it get it done just make sure he takes plenty of pics

Edited by leroy26, 31 December 2012 - 02:22 PM.


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Posted 31 December 2012 - 02:47 PM

In truth, all three options are viable. However; if the chap doing the work is completely reliable (before & after pictures etc.,) then you get a fault free shell which will be a pleasure to re-build, with no nagging doubts about what might still be lurking behind the old paint and filler. So, you end up with something to be proud of.

Or, you could walk away from it. Cut your losses and hope to find something good to replace it with. That might - or might not - prove to be cost effective.

The third option is almost certain to be the most cost effective if you don't include your own time. But, it takes time to learn how to weld and you probably won't be too happy with your early efforts (ask me how I know :cry: ) and unless you also intend to do the painting, it still won't be cheap and the car won't be back on the road for a long, long time.........

Only you can decide but it will eventually come down to time v cost.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 03:10 PM

I was in the same position back in April. I had run my SPI Cooper for just over 5 years and finally decided to get the rust sorted. I started out getting quotes for just a new front-end and sprayed the same colour. I was having little joy in people even getting back to me with prices and it was making me think I should get rid and buy another mini.

I really liked the styling of older mk1 minis but I couldn't afford one that wasn't a project car. I didn't see the point in selling my car (which I had grown attached to), for a car that could possibly have worse hidden rust.

I then found digler on here who provided me with a decent quote for the work so it went to him for the new front end and respray the same colour. As he started stripping the car a lot more work was uncovered. It needed both inner/outer sills, bulkhead repairs plus other stuff. Although this meant an increase in price for labour/parts it was a great opportunity to build the mini exactly how I wanted it and know that I would end up with a solid car.

Now I have the car back I'm 100% glad I made the decision to get it fully restored. I've ended up with the mini looking exactly how I want it, but its still the same car I have had lots of adventures in over the past 5 years.

So I would say Option 1 if you have the cash, and good luck!

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 03:23 PM

Sell the mini buy yourself a jap import no rust ! Have it painted colour of your choice! Good ones can be had for 3-4000. Got one I'm converting at the min from auto to manual shell is really good!

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 03:33 PM

Keep it.....


That mini has become part of your life and therefor your family. My dog recently was diagnosed with cancer and he was given the opportunity to go on a new drug, ******* expensive, but he's my Alfie and I wouldn't get rid of him because he's abit ill.

The same applies for you and your car, you wouldn't sell it because its a bit rusty, neither would you put it to the back of your mind. You fix it, you drive it.

Edited by Noah, 31 December 2012 - 04:14 PM.


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Posted 31 December 2012 - 03:47 PM

I love people who get all sentimental about their cars! If some one was to get the mini completely strip it and swap shells with out you knowing for a excellent second hand one and give it you back all painted and complete you would never know! A excellent condition second hand shell is loads better than a old welded up weakened shell! If you had a car that couldn't be re shelled ie pick up or van mk1 etc that would be different! One thing to add ask who ever is welding it for a guarantee against rust see what they reply! Most body work people will tell you the truth when asked you never get rid of rust!! Some people's idea of welding has a lot to be desired spot here and there and a lot of sealer etc to make it look nice! When a mini is made it's made in section ie floor complete front end complete side etc not 4 floor pans welding together plus sills etc! Not trying to put people off just being realistic ! I love minis too

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 03:48 PM

Bet you would see 1000 for a spi mini in parts or sell as a project!

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 03:56 PM

A mixed response so far. The guy doing the work is on here and comes well recommended from the various people I got in contact with about him. I have no doubts the work will be done and well, and everything he has told me so far is all pictured as well so i have no concerns about that, either from a reliability or quality point of view.

I will await his new costing estimate before making a decision. He does this in his spare time just for a bit extra on the side and therefore the extra work could potentially cost a lot more. The scary bit is the other potential bodges that it could uncover and how quickly the costs could spiral out of control. Ive made quite a few silly choices when it comes to money related things in the past, and I have now met someone Im really in love with and might actually go somewhere, and so being a bit more sensible with money is a factor as well (if only a small one :lol: ) It has already cost me a fortune just getting it back from Germany in the back of a van. However, all costs so far, as far as I am concerned, are now just written off.

1000 - for an SPi in parts - no way. I would never pay that for the state this car is in, so probably wouldn't even try and sell it for such.

The part about getting all sentimental about cars/minis - very true about the reshell, I wouldn't know, but what I don't know can't hurt me!!

Keep it.....


That mini has become part of your life and therefor your family. My dog recently was diagnosed with cancer and he was given the opportunity to go on a new drug, ******* expensive, but he's my Alfie and I would get rid of him because he's abit ill.

The same applies for you and your car, you wouldn't sell it because its a bit rusty, neither would you put it to the back of your mind. You fix it, you drive it.

I know that's just a typo, but it made me chuckle! Against the whole point you were making, just by missing out a couple of letters.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 04:03 PM

Would get 1000 if you broke it for spares ! No idea on value in its present state not seen it! Any mini seems to be 500.00 + nowadays ! All this is just friendly advice!

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 04:13 PM

A mixed response so far. The guy doing the work is on here and comes well recommended from the various people I got in contact with about him. I have no doubts the work will be done and well, and everything he has told me so far is all pictured as well so i have no concerns about that, either from a reliability or quality point of view.

I will await his new costing estimate before making a decision. He does this in his spare time just for a bit extra on the side and therefore the extra work could potentially cost a lot more. The scary bit is the other potential bodges that it could uncover and how quickly the costs could spiral out of control. Ive made quite a few silly choices when it comes to money related things in the past, and I have now met someone Im really in love with and might actually go somewhere, and so being a bit more sensible with money is a factor as well (if only a small one :lol: ) It has already cost me a fortune just getting it back from Germany in the back of a van. However, all costs so far, as far as I am concerned, are now just written off.

1000 - for an SPi in parts - no way. I would never pay that for the state this car is in, so probably wouldn't even try and sell it for such.

The part about getting all sentimental about cars/minis - very true about the reshell, I wouldn't know, but what I don't know can't hurt me!!


Keep it.....


That mini has become part of your life and therefor your family. My dog recently was diagnosed with cancer and he was given the opportunity to go on a new drug, ******* expensive, but he's my Alfie and I wouldn't get rid of him because he's abit ill.

The same applies for you and your car, you wouldn't sell it because its a bit rusty, neither would you put it to the back of your mind. You fix it, you drive it.

I know that's just a typo, but it made me chuckle! Against the whole point you were making, just by missing out a couple of letters.



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Posted 31 December 2012 - 04:16 PM

HAHA Nice. Change it and make me look silly... >_< ;D

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 04:24 PM

HAHA Nice. Change it and make me look silly... >_< ;D


You're welcome.

But seriously. Keep the car.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 04:25 PM

strip it get another shell there always one for sale




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