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What's Is Best For A 1380 Fast Road (Vote Please )


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Poll: Weber 45 or hiff 44 or twin 1.1.5 su carbs (46 member(s) have cast votes)

Which is best to use on a weekend toy 1380 fast road spec

  1. Weber 45 (18 votes [39.13%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 39.13%

  2. Twin su (9 votes [19.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 19.57%

  3. Voted Hiff 44 (19 votes [41.30%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 41.30%

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#1 minilee94

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:39 PM

Engine spec

Engine is a 1380 offset bore
Piper 285 cam
Ultralight flywheel
Orange clutch
x drilled wedged and nitrided crank
Arp bolts all round
Straight through pipe
Fully polished ported head with 30ml exhaust and 36 ml inlet valves ,double valve springs 11 stud
Omega cast pistons 7cc dish
151 rockers
vernier timing gear
Center main strap
And straight cut drops
Oil cooler
Alloy rad
Electric ignition


Facet solid state

Minilee94 is using this Mini as a weekend toy, please consider this when offering your replies

Edited by mra-minis.co.uk, 11 March 2013 - 07:23 PM.
Added the last line


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Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:23 PM

We all know what's guna win this vote


Edited by minilee94, 11 March 2013 - 07:09 PM.


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Posted 11 March 2013 - 07:15 PM

Car is used for weekend toy

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 02:13 AM

Posted a few days ago for twin Webers with a combination like this. You can use a single Weber if you are going to do some cutting to get a decent manifold in there.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:52 AM

Well that what I'm thinking if to just cut my bulk head and do it properly

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:29 PM

Interesting how many people ******* off webers but there wining the vote

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 09:07 PM

They havent bothered to vote for anything ? lol

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 09:17 PM

They have I can see the voting

As can see you voted 45

Edited by minilee94, 12 March 2013 - 09:19 PM.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 10:41 AM

Please define your critera of "best", or is that what you want us to do ??

Also the engine spec you've listed is more like Trackday/sprint/semi-race spec rather than fast road (In my opinion obviously !!)

For me a webber is not the right carb for a mini used on the road, ever. It has advantages for a race car, particularly where you can cut the bulkhead and run a proper 5 inch manifold, filter and bell-mouths/ram stacks. In the confined space of a standard mini the manifold is so short and so compromised to negate the possible flow advantage, and is perhaps why so many people find them tricky to set up at part throttle. There are three or four separate "tuning" components in the webber, all of which need to be set up correctly by your dyno or tuning "expert" : the choke, the emussion tube and jet, all of which can be changed, and thats without getting into "progression drillings" in the main body of the carb.............. The usual reports are that the webber is fine at wide open throttle, but bugger all good anywhere else. Don't get me wrong, they can be made to work and very effectively, but for me they are just not worth the effort.

So that leaves us with SU's, either single or twins.

If you want to have the "Cooper S" look, already have a pair of inch and a halfs or inch and three-quarters and mainfold to suit then there is a lot to having a set of twins. The Maniflow steel manifold is the best for twins, but pricy. The downsides are that you have to balance them up properly, and you have to buy two needles, two springs and two filters at a time. Twin SU's don't go "off tune" or "out of balance" anything like as often as the nay-sayers may tell you, providing they were set up properly in the first place.

Finally the single HIF44/HIF6. The advantages of this are your likely to have one as they were fitted to all Cooper/MG Metros as standard. They can flow enough air for all but the highest state of tune. You only have one needle, spring and filter to buy and no balancing required. The plethora of alloy manifolds available (including the standard Cooper/Metro one you are also likely to have knocking about in the shed) are all pretty good, there are some better than others but unless you're interested in splitting the infinative I wouldn't worry too much.

So for me the choice is : Do I really want or already have twin SU's ?? IF yes happy days, if not stick with the single SU.

How many times I can vote lol !!

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 01:59 PM

I agree with Phil H, single 1 3/4" SU on MG metro (or copy) inlet. As well as the simplicity of it, it picks up better from low revs due to both inlet tracts calling for fuel/air every rev, whereas with twins, each tract will only get half the pulses, allowing intake velocity to start to slow down.
As an aside, if you do go single HIF44, dont be tempted to remove the heat shield from between the carb and inlet manifold, and if possible, wrap the exhaust manifold with heat wrap to avoid superheating the fuel in the float chamber in traffic. We didnt run one on my 1380 rally car for a while, and if we had to sit in a queue for a while at the start of a stage, first quarter of a mile or so of the stage felt like the handbrake was still on. Once cool fuel got through to the carb, we were back in business, 100+BHP!!!
Wrapping the exhaust with cooltech wrap, and refitting heat shield, and we had full power all day!!

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 04:07 PM

If all that was true about a weber they'd have never used them on production cars.........


No, you've missed my point. If a weber of what-ever denomination was fitted "as standard" to a production vehicle then the manufacture would have taken the time to correctly design the inlet system and calibrate the carb to the specific engine and duty required. For example the twin DCOE's fitted to an Alfa twin-cam are a very different in design of carb to the 28/32 fitted to a Pinto in a MK3 Cortina. Both are perfectly adequate for their duty and perfectly calibrated for their use.

What I'm saying is they are alien to a Mini engine, therefore there will be compromises to the mounting and calibration unless you are prepared to invest time and money. IF you are prepared to invest that time, money and effort then feel free to do so, but for road use Mini, even a "weekend warrior" as the original post suggested, my personal opinon is that the time, money and effort would be better invested somewhere else. Like a decent set of tyres, a suspension and geometery set up, decent set of pads and discs etc.

Phil.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 05:00 PM

Iv made my mind up what I'm running and it's guna be a weber I dot see why so many people put webers down they are used on loads of cars iv have been in a 1380 running a weber and was on a swan neck and worked perfectly fine

And the spec listed was the recommended spec from bill Richards racing

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 05:06 PM

Right lets now see the pictures of it on and a report on whats its like, looking forward to it.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 05:07 PM

Right lets now see the pictures of it on and a report on whats its like, looking forward to it.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 08:14 PM

Like a 3" exhaust pipe ;D




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