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[willava182]

About to buy a mini wheel package,
5x12 http://www.minispare...80&prod_id=2478
Offset/ET 14
165/60/12 Tyres

And just wanted to make sure that i don't need to modify the body at all.
I want the wheels to stick out as much as possible without modding the wings.
Is the option i got at the moment, well... the best option haha (don't mind about changing the arches)
Thought i would check before making a bad decision.

Thanks :)


ps. Mini is a 1993 Rover Mini Rio

Edited by willava182, 15 April 2013 - 11:09 PM.

[surfblue63]

I had those on my '93 Sprite and when carrying a passenger the tyre would rub on the leading edge of the front wheel arch with the steering on full lock.

[Bungle]

they should be ok on stock height suspension ( no saggy cones ) but on anything lowered it's going to be close

[willava182]

I had those on my '93 Sprite and when carrying a passenger the tyre would rub on the leading edge of the front wheel arch with the steering on full lock.

Was yours lowered at all?

[Algordo1100]

With an offset of 14 on a 165/60/12, there's a possibility of catching the edge of the wing at the front. Its not hard to take a small amount off the wing's edge and bend a new lip. It will be a small cut for these wheels (If anything), not like 7x13 deeps etc that require hacking half the wing off. Any adjustment you make to the wings for these wheels should be covered by your chosen arches.
If you really don't want to cut the wings then you might be better off going for a more 'standard' offset, around et30. Huddersfield have wheels like that available.
Anyway, making the wheels stick out makes bump steer and torque steer a lot worse and the steering heavy. Sticking out wheels may look 'good' but can be of detriment to how your car drives.

[cal844]

i have revolutions (ET03 offset) with new(ish) yokohama A539 tyres, they rub like a bugger on the wing so you will need to cut a fair bit off the wing and front panel

cheers

[willava182]

With an offset of 14 on a 165/60/12, there's a possibility of catching the edge of the wing at the front. Its not hard to take a small amount off the wing's edge and bend a new lip. It will be a small cut for these wheels (If anything), not like 7x13 deeps etc that require hacking half the wing off. Any adjustment you make to the wings for these wheels should be covered by your chosen arches.
If you really don't want to cut the wings then you might be better off going for a more 'standard' offset, around et30. Huddersfield have wheels like that available.
Anyway, making the wheels stick out makes bump steer and torque steer a lot worse and the steering heavy. Sticking out wheels may look 'good' but can be of detriment to how your car drives.

Ok thanks, how to i go about trimming the wings, is there a guide anywhere?

[Algordo1100]

It's trial and error really as each shell can be subtly different. I would put the wheels on first and then check for clearance. If they are catching then really its just a case of marking the bit that is in the way, cutting it off carefully and forming a new lip profile by bending the edge up. Remember to allow for the lip before you cut and you'll need to sand back and repaint the new wing/front panel lip as the paint will have cracked off and it will rust. Again your arches when refitted should hide your handy work.
Take it steady and a bit at a time. It should be just a little bit to cut for those wheels though. Not that I'm an expert

[Algordo1100]

i have revolutions (ET03 offset) with new(ish) yokohama A539 tyres, they rub like a bugger on the wing so you will need to cut a fair bit off the wing and front panel

cheers

The ones he's after are et14 so they wont catch as bad as 03's?
Crikey they are nearly symmetrical from the mating surface!

[willava182]

It's trial and error really as each shell can be subtly different. I would put the wheels on first and then check for clearance. If they are catching then really its just a case of marking the bit that is in the way, cutting it off carefully and forming a new lip profile by bending the edge up. Remember to allow for the lip before you cut and you'll need to sand back and repaint the new wing/front panel lip as the paint will have cracked off and it will rust. Again your arches when refitted should hide your handy work.
Take it steady and a bit at a time. It should be just a little bit to cut for those wheels though. Not that I'm an expert

Right ok thanks, i just realized that on my mini they are 5x13 with 145 tyres , does this mean that they will still need to be cut, i cant really visualize what will catch.

[cal844]

145 ? 13

whats the ? ie 55,60,65??

[willava182]

sorry they are currently 145/70R/12

Edited by willava182, 16 April 2013 - 01:23 PM.

[Algordo1100]

It's trial and error really as each shell can be subtly different. I would put the wheels on first and then check for clearance. If they are catching then really its just a case of marking the bit that is in the way, cutting it off carefully and forming a new lip profile by bending the edge up. Remember to allow for the lip before you cut and you'll need to sand back and repaint the new wing/front panel lip as the paint will have cracked off and it will rust. Again your arches when refitted should hide your handy work.
Take it steady and a bit at a time. It should be just a little bit to cut for those wheels though. Not that I'm an expert

Right ok thanks, i just realized that on my mini they are 5x13 with 145 tyres , does this mean that they will still need to be cut, i cant really visualize what will catch.

Thats a funny size! Do you mean 12's or do you have 13's on now? If your car.... (nice mini by the way)....if your car is still wearing the wheels it has in this pic:




Those are standard steel wheels and your tyres are 145/60/12.....thats 145 wide, 60 high (sort of, it's a ratio) and to fit a 12 inch wheel. The offset tells you how far the wheel sticks out (or in)
The wheel/tyre combination you linked to is the same height overall (12 inch wheel) but the tyre is wider (165) and the offset is pushing the whole tyre out away from the hub, so when it turns with the steering its going to be stuck out further, and will/may hit the very corner of the front panel on the inside.

Does that make sense?

Al

[mike.]

See my post here about why and how to cut your wings: http://www.theminifo...s/#entry1148068

Since doing mine, i've learnt that its possible (and better) to bend the lip up in one go, without cutting into the wing. Essentially, you create a bigger lip by bending up the excess wing material, then trim the excess lip off.

A bodyshop will use a proper dolly for this, but to DIY, mole grip or similar will do.

[willava182]

It's trial and error really as each shell can be subtly different. I would put the wheels on first and then check for clearance. If they are catching then really its just a case of marking the bit that is in the way, cutting it off carefully and forming a new lip profile by bending the edge up. Remember to allow for the lip before you cut and you'll need to sand back and repaint the new wing/front panel lip as the paint will have cracked off and it will rust. Again your arches when refitted should hide your handy work.
Take it steady and a bit at a time. It should be just a little bit to cut for those wheels though. Not that I'm an expert

Right ok thanks, i just realized that on my mini they are 5x13 with 145 tyres , does this mean that they will still need to be cut, i cant really visualize what will catch.

Thats a funny size! Do you mean 12's or do you have 13's on now? If your car.... (nice mini by the way)....if your car is still wearing the wheels it has in this pic:




Those are standard steel wheels and your tyres are 145/60/12.....thats 145 wide, 60 high (sort of, it's a ratio) and to fit a 12 inch wheel. The offset tells you how far the wheel sticks out (or in)
The wheel/tyre combination you linked to is the same height overall (12 inch wheel) but the tyre is wider (165) and the offset is pushing the whole tyre out away from the hub, so when it turns with the steering its going to be stuck out further, and will/may hit the very corner of the front panel on the inside.

Does that make sense?

Al

The same wheels yes, but on the tyres it defiantly say 70R, and i measured them and they are 13" , This does actually match up, as the speedo does read wrong.