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[lewBlew]

Old police cars were white and baby blue weren't they? Mine's more of a middling blue, but it's hard to explain colours on the internet isn't it!

 

I'm no expert on 1970s Minis but can tell you the rear lights on yours are of the later type (1976 onwards) as they have built in reverse lamps. However this means nothing as they are the same fitment as the older ones and could easily be swapped.

 

It looks like the wheels are 12" Minilite style ones which were available around the late 80s/90s but again easy to change according to taste. And there are weird screw on arches?! Not seen them before.

 

I don't think it would take a massive amount of effort to put that car back to original, if you wanted to (good on you if you do).  Shame the roof rack wasn't included, I bet it's worth a fortune!

[Theclubmankid]

Old police cars were white and baby blue weren't they? Mine's more of a middling blue, but it's hard to explain colours on the internet isn't it!

 

I'm no expert on 1970s Minis but can tell you the rear lights on yours are of the later type (1976 onwards) as they have built in reverse lamps. However this means nothing as they are the same fitment as the older ones and could easily be swapped.

 

It looks like the wheels are 12" Minilite style ones which were available around the late 80s/90s but again easy to change according to taste. And there are weird screw on arches?! Not seen them before.

 

I don't think it would take a massive amount of effort to put that car back to original, if you wanted to (good on you if you do).  Shame the roof rack wasn't included, I bet it's worth a fortune!

This is the thing.. im not totally sure.. i thought they may have been a baby blue all over with the police detail white and a single blue light on top..?
I didnt know about the lights but there is a list of receipts and a box of bits. and going through the box of bits there was some old rear light surrounds at least..
Do you have a link to a picture of what original (71) rear lights would look like.?

I dont believe they are real minilites but plan on selling them for some 10*6 wellers in (gloss) black.. just want something not the norm.. same with getting a clubman..

i would like to make it original and show stopping IF i can 100% confirm the police story is true and can get history behind it as that would be incredible.. (personally speaking) 

[Theclubmankid]

I don't think it would take a massive amount of effort to put that car back to original, if you wanted to (good on you if you do).  Shame the roof rack wasn't included, I bet it's worth a fortune!

 

Aha yeah i did want it.. it looks mint,, and yeah it did cost im something lik 300 odd quid second hand or something.. did try to get it included but.. his wife wasnt having any of it
I would like one and have seen some with out slates on sale and im sure it wouldnt take much to add some..
​oak or mahogany ones... something smart looking and hard wearing.. 

[lewBlew]

Rear lights pre '76 look like this (unless anyone knows otherwise!)

 

http://www.simoncars...n rear 1975.jpg

 

Didn't say earlier but your car does look lovely.

[Algordo1100]

Easier way to see if it is a pre '76 is to look at the subframe. Also That would be very hard to change as pre '76 subframes do not fit '76 on shells and vice versa.

 

Subframe should not be rubber mounted ( '76 on [mk4])

 

Look at the front sub frame tower bolts. Rubber mounted ('76 on) have one big bolt. Earlier sub frames have two smaller bolts.

[bluemini1979]

also the rear subframe is held on with 4 of the same size trunnions pre 76 rather than the two long bolt type going into the heel board and one long one short bolt going through the boot floor as on post 76 (mk4) cars

[Theclubmankid]

Easier way to see if it is a pre '76 is to look at the subframe. Also That would be very hard to change as pre '76 subframes do not fit '76 on shells and vice versa.

 

Subframe should not be rubber mounted ( '76 on [mk4])

 

Look at the front sub frame tower bolts. Rubber mounted ('76 on) have one big bolt. Earlier sub frames have two smaller bolts.

I think i know what you mean..
On the front subframe.?
I think i know as i have a 1963 in the garage and the subframes out of that and i think i know of the two long bolts u mean..

[Theclubmankid]

Thanks for all this info guys..
keep it comings its going to be a great help

[creakyjaws5533]

Mini magazine did an article on a police round nose they recommend this website http://www.policecaruk.com/index.html
The colour they say is Bermuda blue

Edited by creakyjaws5533, 16 May 2013 - 09:17 PM.

[Theclubmankid]

Mini magazine did an article on a police round nose they recommend this website http://www.policecaruk.com/index.html
The colour they say is Bermuda blue

Cheers !! :)
Just been on that website and its a nightmare to navigate with any form of efficiency !!
When i send off this form thing to the DVLA i will have to have a look what the original colour was..
But will upload a photo tomorrow to see if anyone how knows what this 'Bermuda blue' looks like can recognise it !!

[62S]

 

At the end of the day a Clubman is a Clubman so at last you know it's from the 1970s as they only made them in that decade!

 

 

Except that the Clubman was launched in 1969 and production of the saloon finished in 1980.

Edited by 62S, 16 May 2013 - 10:02 PM.

[Algordo1100]

I have just come across the advert for the car. The seller says its a 1971, but DVLA say 1972, Perhaps no big deal. - However, many, many parts have been changed to later ones, if the car is indeed a 1972-  but I'm not sure it is.

Although I can't be certain from looking at pictures and in no way do I claim to be an expert, I do think this is a later car with the identity of an earlier one.

Specifically a car from post 1976 as the later front subframe is present from what I can see. Thats the clincher for me as it would be rather difficult to make a later sub frame fit an earlier car.

If it is a later car with an earlier identity (and I hope im wrong but I doubt it) - it is a ringer and technically illegal. This also explains the respray if the original GAH249k was white. 

There are loads of minis like this, usually done to claim the free road tax. If it doesn't bother you and you think the price is fair then go ahead, but make sure you are fully aware of what you are buying.

 

Al

[lewBlew]

 

 

At the end of the day a Clubman is a Clubman so at last you know it's from the 1970s as they only made them in that decade!

 

 

Except that the Clubman was launched in 1969 and production of the saloon finished in 1980.

 

 

Same thing... you know what I mean.

 

 

I have just come across the advert for the car. The seller says its a 1971, but DVLA say 1972, Perhaps no big deal. - However, many, many parts have been changed to later ones, if the car is indeed a 1972-  but I'm not sure it is.

Although I can't be certain from looking at pictures and in no way do I claim to be an expert, I do think this is a later car with the identity of an earlier one.

Specifically a car from post 1976 as the later front subframe is present from what I can see. Thats the clincher for me as it would be rather difficult to make a later sub frame fit an earlier car.

If it is a later car with an earlier identity (and I hope im wrong but I doubt it) - it is a ringer and technically illegal. This also explains the respray if the original GAH249k was white. 

There are loads of minis like this, usually done to claim the free road tax. If it doesn't bother you and you think the price is fair then go ahead, but make sure you are fully aware of what you are buying.

 

Al

 

I think he's already bought it. I doubt both cars with this numberplate are ringers (the one in the other thread certainly is)!

 

Amazing what people will do to save 100 quid a year.

[Theclubmankid]

 

 

 

At the end of the day a Clubman is a Clubman so at last you know it's from the 1970s as they only made them in that decade!

 

 

Except that the Clubman was launched in 1969 and production of the saloon finished in 1980.

 

 

Same thing... you know what I mean.

 

 

I have just come across the advert for the car. The seller says its a 1971, but DVLA say 1972, Perhaps no big deal. - However, many, many parts have been changed to later ones, if the car is indeed a 1972-  but I'm not sure it is.

Although I can't be certain from looking at pictures and in no way do I claim to be an expert, I do think this is a later car with the identity of an earlier one.

Specifically a car from post 1976 as the later front subframe is present from what I can see. Thats the clincher for me as it would be rather difficult to make a later sub frame fit an earlier car.

If it is a later car with an earlier identity (and I hope im wrong but I doubt it) - it is a ringer and technically illegal. This also explains the respray if the original GAH249k was white. 

There are loads of minis like this, usually done to claim the free road tax. If it doesn't bother you and you think the price is fair then go ahead, but make sure you are fully aware of what you are buying.

 

Al

 

 

You cant even see the front subframe tower bolts can u so how can u say this.? im not an expert by any means but i dont think u can see them from the photo can u.?
Maybe it was made late 71 but registered early 72.? 
i have seen a thread with plenty of ways to identify so will have a look..
And out of everyone i hope ur wrong !!  

[Theclubmankid]

I think he's already bought it. I doubt both cars with this numberplate are ringers (the one in the other thread certainly is)!

 

Havent brought it as of yet..
Doing that after my exam later..
My plan is.. If the front subframe tower bolts are just the one thick bolt.. im walking away..
If its the earlier type with the two smaller bolts.. i'll buy it..
Although having sed that i do have my heart set on it now
Will keep u guys posted...
P.s. please keep everything crossed for me !!
Been looking forward to my first car being a mini for years