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[james962]

megamini_jb, if you can, measure your bottom arms centre to centre (from the pin to the ball joint). I have a set of standard bottom arms in the garage and I'll measure them so we can compare to see if those you have are standard arms or not. If you need bottom arms, you can have them for the cost of P&P?

[megamini_jb]

you should post up some pics in the stance thread
 
the kids will think your cool with that much camber , or is that kool ? I'm too old

Nah not kool, it sick blud. Check out me wonky wheel isn't it

[Alex_B]

 

you should post up some pics in the stance thread
 
the kids will think your cool with that much camber , or is that kool ? I'm too old

Nah not kool, it sick blud. Check out me wonky wheel isn't it

 

There isnt 'stanced' levels of camber there, just what most on here regard as fast road spec, 

[megamini_jb]

megamini_jb, if you can, measure your bottom arms centre to centre (from the pin to the ball joint). I have a set of standard bottom arms in the garage and I'll measure them so we can compare to see if those you have are standard arms or not. If you need bottom arms, you can have them for the cost of P&P?

Will measure them tomorrow :) thank you very much. Really appreciate that, will let you know tomorrow

[megamini_jb]

you should post up some pics in the stance thread
 
the kids will think your cool with that much camber , or is that kool ? I'm too old

Nah not kool, it sick blud. Check out me wonky wheel isn't it

There isnt 'stanced' levels of camber there, just what most on here regard as fast road spec,

Or what I regard are ****

[Alex_B]

 

 

 

you should post up some pics in the stance thread
 
the kids will think your cool with that much camber , or is that kool ? I'm too old

Nah not kool, it sick blud. Check out me wonky wheel isn't it

There isnt 'stanced' levels of camber there, just what most on here regard as fast road spec,

Or what I regard are ****

 

well maybe if its not your style but it will probably be giving you loads of grip in the corners! I was amazed when I got my lower arms adjusted properly to give -1.5 degs, the amount of extra grip and feel was impressive 

[megamini_jb]

Don't you think it looks daft though?

[Cooperman]

For tarmac use on the roads a negative of 1.5 degs. is good.

2.5 degs. is much too high for normal road use.

[Carlos W]

I've got a set of standard bottom arms too if you need them

[Bungle]

maybe fit some of these camber spacers up side down

 

[james962]

Standard arm measures 260mm (give or take a mm) from the centre of the ball joint hole, along the length of the arm and to the centre line when the pin sits. Should be accurate enough to compare against your bottom arm.

[1984mini25]

I've got a pair of standard bottom arms on my other mini I've been meaning to swap for some negative camber ones...  if you look around the flap part were the lower balljoint mounts you might see them stamped with -1.5, -2.0 etc.

Edited by 1984mini25, 13 February 2014 - 06:26 PM.

[megamini_jb]

I've got a pair of standard bottom arms on my other mini I've been meaning to swap for some negative camber ones...  if you look around the flap part were the lower balljoint mounts you might see them stamped with -1.5, -2.0 etc.

There was some markings but couldn't really see. Will check tomorrow

[Alex_B]

Don't you think it looks daft though?

No, im a motorsport engineering student, I regularly work on racing cars which run lots of negative camber, in my eyes it looks like performance ( up until a point around -2 degs, any more and its silly, but what you have doesnt look daft in my eyes) 

[tiger99]

A small amount of negative camber is useful for an experienced driver in a Mini, because it will reduce initial understeer, however when the front end lets go, it will happen rather suddenly. With the standard positive camber it all happens very gently, which is considered very safe for average to mediocre drivers, which probably constitute most of the driving population. (Ask 20 people to explain understeer and oversteer, and see if you get more than 2 or 3 reasonably correct answers, if you don't believe that statement. And no, the average driver probably does not need to know much about vehicle handling, as long as it is safe and predictable, and they may well drive very safely without that knowledge, thanks to people like Issigonis, who made cars that would react safely to the instinctive actions of a very average driver. He did a very good job.) Likewise at the back, the standard positive camber allows power-off oversteer to come in fairly gently, and it will come in more suddenly if there is negative camber at the rear.

 

My opinion is that, for someone who drives Minis regularly, who does understand oversteer and understeer, and appreciates that various cars handle differently, a modest amount of negative camber, front and rear, is probably a good thing. Probably a bad idea if the car is also driven by someone with no interest in, or appreciation of, how a Mini handles, as it may catch them out.

 

The car under discussion has rather too much negative camber for my personal taste. I would be content with 1 degree front and back.