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[bouddha]

hi,

 

I recently went to a rover garage to have a new keyfob coded but the mechanic had no luck connecting to the ECU, he tried connecting on the communication port and directly in various location of the wire loom.

None of these options worked and we know that the programming equipment is not faulty because he used 2 different that he knows are good.

Did someone have the same issue?

where should we be looking to solve this?

 

thanks for your help!

[FlyingScot]

What were the garage using to connect to your car? A Testbook ? There are only 4 connections needed for the 5AS unit so I guess that why they tried the loom.
Would be interested to know what equipment was tried and also how they know it's not faulty.
Sounds like either the wrong software if it is a Testbook or a faulty EOBD connector in the car.
Does the alarm currently work with the existing keyfob ?

FS

[bouddha]

He used some kind of specific rover laptop running the program from a floppy disk, the mechanic said that he tried to use a second brand new floppy he kept aside "just in case".
I had no details why it wouldn't work, the guy said it could be a wire damaged in the loom that prevented a good communication.
The alarm works perfect in the present condition, I just wanted to code a 2nd fob in case I have a problem with the main one.
Sorry for my basic explanation, I am not very knowledgable in that field.
Do you see something that could typically cause this?

[mini 4o]

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I expect it was one like this...which would need the

http://www.workshopd...rofessional-kit

just look at the price..lol

[FlyingScot]

Yeah sounds like a Testbook. By the way mini 4o the software isn't the issue its the connection box and leads as you identified.

If he can't get it to work either it's not a real one or the connection socket is U/S as I stated above only 4 wires connection to alarm module (5AS)

FS

[bouddha]

I think his equipment is genuine because garages in the region often come to him when they need to test a rover car.
I wanted to program a keyfob and looked at several garages but most of them no longer had the equipment or they were half-faulty.

[drs]

Just been looking at this myself, thought I had a problem, but only operator error.

These tools are only as good as the operator, on the ACR the mini has a separate 2J mems menu option to the 1800 K series.

 

diagnostic connector is:-

 

GENERIC:

power

earth

 

ALARM:

serial in

serial out

 

ECU:

ecu

 

AIRBAG:

air bag

 

I don't know the Rover test book, I have a ACR4

 

to be sure you would have to buzz through the cables.

 

Can post the connections and wire colors later if you want them.

 

pauls (essex)

[Guess-Works.com]

I can highly recommend David at MobileTuning...

 

http://www.alarmremo...co.uk/id67.html

 

I believe you need a T4 to do it in car.

[FlyingScot]

Just been looking at this myself, thought I had a problem, but only operator error.
These tools are only as good as the operator, on the ACR the mini has a separate 2J mems menu option to the 1800 K series.
 
diagnostic connector is:-
 
GENERIC:
power
earth
 
ALARM:
serial in
serial out
 
ECU:
ecu
 
AIRBAG:
air bag
 
I don't know the Rover test book, I have a ACR4
 
to be sure you would have to buzz through the cables.
 
Can post the connections and wire colors later if you want them.
 
pauls (essex)

To be honest the Testbook (or could be a T4) is easier to use than the SP ACR 4 as it's on a laptop and you just follow the pictures.

If it doesn't do the job there isn't much you can do Bouddha, it could be one of three things 1) the wiring in your car to the 5AS (alarm module) is poor or damaged. 2) The Testbook leads are faulty (as drs quoted above its different connections in the 16 pin plug from the ECU) 3) the Testbook doesn't have the right software for the MPI Mini - the CDs for the different vehicles had to be bought and loaded and it could be that the guy has only certain ones.
Textbooks and the later T4 are rare which is why most people use the SP ACR 4 but I don't see anyone near you who has posted they have one (in the thread about use of code readers).

The alternative is to send off the 5AS and the existing keyfob to one of the companies that can do offline programming (they usually have a bench version set up to mimic the car). If you do a search for people who refurbish the keys they usually can help.

FS

[FlyingScot]

I can highly recommend David at MobileTuning...
 
http://www.alarmremo...co.uk/id67.html
 
I believe you need a T4 to do it in car.

You can use a Sykes Pickavant ACR4 with Rover pod 4/5 or the later MAP or G2 pods and the ISO lead for MPi Minis (can also be used for SPi with a home brew converter lead)
The programming device in the link above would work providing the 5AS can be put into "learning" mode which could be the issue the Rover dealer had.

As Guessworks has shown there are a few places who will provide keyfob after receiving yours and the 5AS unit.

FS

Edited by FlyingScot, 14 April 2014 - 08:41 PM.

[bouddha]

I saw the ROV2 device at alarmremotes.co.uk, do you think this would work?

has anyone tested this device?

I guess there is not much more I can do except sending the ECU and the keyfob next.

thank you guys for your help, I will tell you how this went as soon as I  find a solution to this.

[FlyingScot]

Hi Boudda as I wrote above the Rov2 depends on being able to out the 5AS ( alarm module ) into "learning" mode. If the wiring to the 5AS is faulty or the 5AS cannot be put into learning mode for whatever read on then this wouldn't work. This could be why the Testbook couldn't do the job.
If it was my money I would send the 5AS and keyfob off to get another keyfob, you can then be sure all is good.

Thanks to update

FS

[bouddha]

Ok I got your point, I will try to find someone local to check on this and keep you posted on the results

[Mpi Mark]

I can highly recommend David at MobileTuning...
 
http://www.alarmremo...co.uk/id67.html
 
I believe you need a T4 to do it in car.

I used these people for getting my key fob coded. It's a really easy process. There service was fantastic and the chap I spoke to couldn't be more helpful.