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#1 Tommyboy12

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 10:10 AM

Hey Guys,

 

I removed my standard fit brake servo yesterday to get at the bulkhead for a spot of welding. I drained the reservoir before removing but when I took the servo off I was able to pour a substantial amount of liquid out of the servo through the vacuum hose hole.

 

It didnt smell like petrol and didnt feel/smell like brake fluid. Is it likely to be anything else (water)? I guess my best bet would also be that it is probably a good idea to rebuild the servo too as this fluid has clearly got in from somewhere. Anyone else have an opinion on that?

 

Thanks.



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 10:37 AM

sounds like old brake fluid from the master cylinder seal being sucked into the servo



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 10:46 AM

Water is possible, there shouldn't be much airflow but every time you release the brakes a little gets drawn in and is then subjected to a pressure drop that will cause condensation. 



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 12:16 PM

If it feels even the slightest bit slippery it will be brake fluid and that would be symptomatic of a typical failure.



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 01:20 PM

It doesnt feel at all slippery which is why I was unsure. It also had no odor. It just looked like dirty water.

 

I also had no loss in braking performance. In fact they still worked perfectly.

 

Judging from the stack of receipts its never had a servo so im guessing this unit is original. Are they easy to have apart and service?



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 02:00 PM

Hey Guys,

 

I removed my standard fit brake servo yesterday to get at the bulkhead for a spot of welding. I drained the reservoir before removing but when I took the servo off I was able to pour a substantial amount of liquid out of the servo through the vacuum hose hole.

 

It didnt smell like petrol and didnt feel/smell like brake fluid. Is it likely to be anything else (water)? I guess my best bet would also be that it is probably a good idea to rebuild the servo too as this fluid has clearly got in from somewhere. Anyone else have an opinion on that?

 

Thanks.

 

Can also be slop that built up in the inlet manifold running back with the engine off if the NRV let's by a bit.



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 09:16 PM

All of the above would seem to be credible. If it has any hydrocarbon content whatsoever, I would very strongly recommend a full strip, clean and rebuild of the master cylinder with new seals, as "mineral oil" is extremely damaging to the integrity of the seals, and some may have leaked in from the servo.

 

You could try testing it for flammability, CAREFULLY!!!!! We don't want singed eyebrows, or worse. Been there, it hurts, and no, it wasn't with any fluid from a Mini, or any other car...  Brake fluid burns, as does mineral oil, water obviously does not. I would test by putting some in a metal tray, outdoors, and applying a blowlamp as the source of ignition, because brake fluid and certain oils do not ignite all that easily, except when you don't want them to! (Engine oil and brake fluid are both supposedly more likely to ignite on a hot manifold than leaded petrol, so allegedly is antifreeze.)

 

However I suspect that what you had in the system was indeed dirty water, drawn in and condensed due to pressure and temperature changes, but proving that may not be easy. You could use a small amount of it in various seperate tests, for example, does it mix with oil, petrol, water or brake fluid? Obviously oil and petrol mix, as does water and brake fluid. Does it mix with alcohol (meths)? Does it dissolve salt, sugar, sodium bicarbonate, and whatever else you have to hand to try?



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 07:44 AM

I ditched the fluid if im honest. Im not that concerned about it as I want to rebuild the brakes. Does anyone know the best way to split the servo or is it best to get it done professionally?



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 10:30 AM

The standard direct servo is assembled in a bayonet type fitting. The two halves twist apart. There's a big spring inside so it'll spring apart. I think you'd need to clamp it in something to do it.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 12:33 PM

I assume that your servo is post-1988, because the earlier ones are very different! Please do take great care with the spring. You may need something like carpenters G clamps and some improvisation to help get it back together.

 

I was going to suggest that for a job like that you really need to be referring to the manual, but unfortunately the two versions of the Rover manual which cover the later models only describe changing the complete servo. I would hope that the repair kit contains instructions! I seem to have lost my Haynes manual, so not sure if that would help.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 01:54 PM

There is nothing in the haynes manual unfortunately...

 

Im quite tempted to bin the unit and buy another as I think the heavy rust on it may prevent it being opened without me snapped studs when its in a vice.






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