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[Dusky]

 

 

My mini is fast compared to modern cars......

But I'm saying out of personal experience spend the money on the 1275cc much easier to get decent power out of

fast compared to modern cars? Maybe a twingo.. A mini is outrun when you go over 100k h easily. And there are lots of ouder Italianen cars wich can keep up in the bends and have torque on the straight ..(take a strada 130 for example) Sorry to bust the Dreams.. As peter says: no fast mini's, only not so slow mini's :)

Lol I hate people like you,

Anything can be fast with the right engineering......

120bhp in a 600kg car is fast compared to most modern cars.......

 

My dad owns a 125 bhp mini, +- 500 kg. Yes its fast, up to 130km/h, then it won't go faster as it hits the rev limit @ 8.5K rpm, the high FDR is needed or it wouldn't even come off the line with a 300°+ camshaft.

Not EVERYTHING can be fast. We're still talking about pushrod engines here, bad head design,....

Sure you can slam a 8 port head on it and engineer a twin cam for it, but it isn't a mini engine anymore ( imo). Look at the difference between a mini 850 cc engine and a fiat 850 cc engine ( the fiat 850 had op to 51 bhp wich is more than even a standard 1100 I think..) , the design is just old and people should learn to accept that they're driving a classic car with a very old design engine .

And then you forget the cost vs performance, don't think you can build a reliable engine under 5K to perform reliable @ 120 bhp..

Edited by Dusky, 04 July 2015 - 01:31 PM.

[Gcornwall]

Yeah I would get rid of the shell! £300 sounds very cheap though

[coopdog]

 

 

My mini is fast compared to modern cars......

But I'm saying out of personal experience spend the money on the 1275cc much easier to get decent power out of

fast compared to modern cars? Maybe a twingo.. A mini is outrun when you go over 100k h easily. And there are lots of ouder Italianen cars wich can keep up in the bends and have torque on the straight ..(take a strada 130 for example) Sorry to bust the Dreams.. As peter says: no fast mini's, only not so slow mini's :)

Lol I hate people like you,

Anything can be fast with the right engineering......

120bhp in a 600kg car is fast compared to most modern cars.......
 

My dad owns a 125 bhp mini, +- 500 kg. Yes its fast, up to 130km/h, then it won't go faster as it hits the rev limit @ 8.5K rpm, the high FDR is needed or it wouldn't even come off the line with a 300°+ camshaft.
Not EVERYTHING can be fast. We're still talking about pushrod engines here, bad head design,....
Sure you can slam a 8 port head on it and engineer a twin cam for it, but it isn't a mini engine anymore ( imo). Look at the difference between a mini 850 cc engine and a fiat 850 cc engine ( the fiat 850 had op to 51 bhp wich is more than even a standard 1100 I think..) , the design is just old and people should learn to accept that they're driving a classic car with a very old design engine .
And then you forget the cost vs performance, don't think you can build a reliable engine under 5K to perform reliable @ 120 bhp..

Turbo.... And is just as reliable as any other mini

Anything in a standard mini shell is a mini....

[Dusky]

 

 

 

 

My mini is fast compared to modern cars......

But I'm saying out of personal experience spend the money on the 1275cc much easier to get decent power out of

fast compared to modern cars? Maybe a twingo.. A mini is outrun when you go over 100k h easily. And there are lots of ouder Italianen cars wich can keep up in the bends and have torque on the straight ..(take a strada 130 for example) Sorry to bust the Dreams.. As peter says: no fast mini's, only not so slow mini's :)

Lol I hate people like you,

Anything can be fast with the right engineering......

120bhp in a 600kg car is fast compared to most modern cars.......
 

My dad owns a 125 bhp mini, +- 500 kg. Yes its fast, up to 130km/h, then it won't go faster as it hits the rev limit @ 8.5K rpm, the high FDR is needed or it wouldn't even come off the line with a 300°+ camshaft.
Not EVERYTHING can be fast. We're still talking about pushrod engines here, bad head design,....
Sure you can slam a 8 port head on it and engineer a twin cam for it, but it isn't a mini engine anymore ( imo). Look at the difference between a mini 850 cc engine and a fiat 850 cc engine ( the fiat 850 had op to 51 bhp wich is more than even a standard 1100 I think..) , the design is just old and people should learn to accept that they're driving a classic car with a very old design engine .
And then you forget the cost vs performance, don't think you can build a reliable engine under 5K to perform reliable @ 120 bhp..

Turbo.... And is just as reliable as any other mini

Anything in a standard mini shell is a mini....

 

Not an original mini, Pal.

Get over it lol... You can but a V8 in it too then and call it a mini... R1 engined spaceframe and call it a mini... 

It's only a real mini if it could have been made at the factory like that, but that's my opinion and you can have yours :)

[coopdog]

 

 

 

 

My mini is fast compared to modern cars......

But I'm saying out of personal experience spend the money on the 1275cc much easier to get decent power out of

fast compared to modern cars? Maybe a twingo.. A mini is outrun when you go over 100k h easily. And there are lots of ouder Italianen cars wich can keep up in the bends and have torque on the straight ..(take a strada 130 for example) Sorry to bust the Dreams.. As peter says: no fast mini's, only not so slow mini's :)

Lol I hate people like you,

Anything can be fast with the right engineering......

120bhp in a 600kg car is fast compared to most modern cars.......
 

My dad owns a 125 bhp mini, +- 500 kg. Yes its fast, up to 130km/h, then it won't go faster as it hits the rev limit @ 8.5K rpm, the high FDR is needed or it wouldn't even come off the line with a 300°+ camshaft.
Not EVERYTHING can be fast. We're still talking about pushrod engines here, bad head design,....
Sure you can slam a 8 port head on it and engineer a twin cam for it, but it isn't a mini engine anymore ( imo). Look at the difference between a mini 850 cc engine and a fiat 850 cc engine ( the fiat 850 had op to 51 bhp wich is more than even a standard 1100 I think..) , the design is just old and people should learn to accept that they're driving a classic car with a very old design engine .
And then you forget the cost vs performance, don't think you can build a reliable engine under 5K to perform reliable @ 120 bhp..

Turbo.... And is just as reliable as any other mini

Anything in a standard mini shell is a mini....
 

Not an original mini, Pal.
Get over it lol... You can but a V8 in it too then and call it a mini... R1 engined spaceframe and call it a mini... 
It's only a real mini if it could have been made at the factory like that, but that's my opinion and you can have yours :)

Lol get over your self mate

You need to check out turbo minis many of them are running 200+bhp with a series engines and heads, guess you'll just say that's not a real mini

Edited by coopdog, 04 July 2015 - 01:52 PM.

[Dusky]

Lol get over your self mate

You need to check out turbo minis many of them are running 200+bhp with a series engines and heads, guess you'll just say that's not a real mini

 

 

Unless its the same tubo as an ERA turbo? No, not really. As the 'modern cars' you're talking about are most of the time unmodified.

But hey, keep believing you own a quick 998 wich goes over a 120mph easily ;) I'm out of this, enjoying the sun in my not so slow 1330, have a nice day.

Edited by Dusky, 04 July 2015 - 02:44 PM.

[dyshipfakta]

Yeah but big bucks to get that kinda power. That shell with engine is a bargain unless it was rebuilt by Stevie Wonder.

Will built a turbo mini for £600

Big bucks ain't needed to build a quick mini,

You lot need to get this fact out of your head and experiment a little we ain't stuck in the 80s anymore

Also the shell is shagggedddd just buy it for the engine and sell the shell on

Find a good turbo engine or everything you need to build a good one for 500 quid...

Perhaps the fact you bought a classic car means that you actually quite like the thought of the 60s, 70s, 80s.

Edited by dyshipfakta, 04 July 2015 - 03:07 PM.

[Turbo Phil]

It depends what you call fast ? If it's purely top speed, then no, a classic Mini is not fast compared to a lot of modern cars. But if you're talking acceleration, that's a different matter.....
How many folk actually commenting on this thread saying "Minis aren't fast", have actually been in one with a GENUINE 130+hp ? I'd say a lightish Mini with this kind of power is more than capable of keeping up with a lot of modern stuff.
And how many folk have actually been in a lightish Mini with circa 200hp ?? Now you're telling me this isn't quick ? Well you either drive something very exotic or your an excellent liar ! Lol

Phil.

[dyshipfakta]

I haven't been in a mini with 130bhp I'm sure one of those is quick... But not cheap or if it is cheap not reliable( unless your lucky) anywho we digress how does the above op chap achieve his goals.

[carbon]

It depends what you call fast ? If it's purely top speed, then no, a classic Mini is not fast compared to a lot of modern cars. But if you're talking acceleration, that's a different matter.....
How many folk actually commenting on this thread saying "Minis aren't fast", have actually been in one with a GENUINE 130+hp ? I'd say a lightish Mini with this kind of power is more than capable of keeping up with a lot of modern stuff.
And how many folk have actually been in a lightish Mini with circa 200hp ?? Now you're telling me this isn't quick ? Well you either drive something very exotic or your an excellent liar ! Lol

Phil.

Maybe off topic, but I would really like to know is how to get 80+bhp from the engine to the tarmac in typical UK driving conditions - ie in traffic and in the wet.

 

In my experience with a fairly mildly tuned 1293 mini this results in a lot of wheelspin when you don't want it...

[Dusky]

I vd been in a 125 bhp mini if that counts? Its very quick in teams of acceleration, but again not comprarable to a more modern car, don't think you want to cruise at 7k rpm...
200 bhp must be even better, but will you get that out of a standard head? Even with turbo's it seems a bit much..

[Turbo Phil]

I vd been in a 125 bhp mini if that counts? Its very quick in teams of acceleration, but again not comprarable to a more modern car, don't think you want to cruise at 7k rpm...
200 bhp must be even better, but will you get that out of a standard head? Even with turbo's it seems a bit much..

When you say standard head, do you mean 5port but unmodified ? Or standard casting, but modified ? If totally standard/unmodified then, no, you won't get 200hp. If standard casting but modified then, yes, it's more than possible to get well past 200hp, BL managed it in the early 80's with the group A Metro Turbos running ancient Turbos, a single SU and clockwork ignition.
Comparing a 130hp NA A-Series with a 130hp Turbocharged A-Series is like comparing night with day. The Turbo engine creates huge amounts of Torque compared to an equivalent NA engine, so you won't need to cruise at 7,000rpm as you can use a taller final drive. You won't need to keep the revs up to keep it on cam either, making it far more tractable. A 130hp Turbo A-series is completely street useable.

Phil.

[Spider]

Just going back to the OP's original question, it's not too hard at all to spend cash on a 998 to make it go faster / better, that will exceed the cost of a 1275, which will be so much more flexible and enjoyable to drive and look after.

[Gcornwall]

Thanks guys for the info!

[Turbo Phil]

Sorry we ran a little off topic ! Lol