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#1 neilthepeal

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Posted 09 September 2015 - 10:48 AM

Hi

 

I'm getting this sound as shown in the video. This video is not mine, just one I found. https://www.youtube....?v=Wpci4AYrcoU. Also similar to this one

 

It's pretty irritating when driving and almost rattles away as if something is flapping about. I have moved the wheels side to side as shown in the video whilst holding both inner and out balls joins but they don't seem to move or have any play

 

Any ideas? I will prob replace the whole rack but if there's something i can do to stop it for the next week or so that'd be ideal.

 

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Posted 09 September 2015 - 10:51 AM

This is the first video. which more accurately shows the problem

 

https://www.youtube....?v=Wpci4AYrcoU.

 

 

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Posted 09 September 2015 - 11:13 AM

 

This is the first video. which more accurately shows the problem

 

https://www.youtube....?v=Wpci4AYrcoU.

 

 

Neil

 

 

Oh yeah, that's Cactus!!

 

I know this doesn't help, but you guys in the UK seemed to have really gotten the rough end of the pineapple where it comes to steering racks,oh yeah, we had the same ones for a short while when they first started making Minis here and then right at the very end of the Moke production, so we have seen them.

 

Our locally made racks from about 68 through to 80 where actually short versions of Morris / Austin 1100 ones, most of the internal parts are bigger and heavier than the UK Mini ones. The only part that really fails in them is the bush in the passenger's end of the rack, replace that with something decent and they go forever (eg, the one in my wife's Moke I overhauled about 25 years ago and is still perfect).

 

I have heard from a few people say that many of the new UK racks don't last too well either, but I am also told that there are some about which are OK. Maybe someone could shed a bit of light on this?


Edited by Moke Spider, 09 September 2015 - 11:14 AM.


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Posted 09 September 2015 - 12:27 PM

It's probably the bush at the passenger side end of the rack tube. I had this on mine, took me ages to figure out what it was. They seem to always go on that bush, probably because it supports the long run of the rack internally, whilst the drivers side only has to support a very short part of the rack due to the location of the steering column / pinion.

 

Best way to be sure, is pop the gaiter off at the inboard end (ie the one between the track rod and the rack body). You will then be able to see the end of the rack where it slides in that bush. Get someone to rock the wheel at 3 and 9 o'clock (like you are testing for track rod end wear) and you will be able to see the play between rack and bush.


Edited by spiguy, 09 September 2015 - 12:28 PM.


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Posted 09 September 2015 - 12:34 PM

Thanks - if it is that is there anything I can do easily, at home to repair it?



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Posted 09 September 2015 - 12:41 PM

Would it require this? http://www.minisport...-kit-set-4.html

 

And do you know if it's a DIY job as in no special tools etc?

 

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Posted 09 September 2015 - 05:09 PM

Anyone?



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Posted 09 September 2015 - 07:27 PM

Steering Rack usually can be overhauled at home, unless something is really knackered out and needs machining, it's usually only a case of stripping, cleaning and replacing a few parts, re-assembling and some shim adjustments, however what I would suggest, is getting a hold of another second hand rack (or two if cheap enough) and overhauling that, then swapping over.

 

IMO, if when stripped, it's found something does need machining, even though i can do that too in house, I've never bothered, I just move on to another rack (and use what I can out of the first as 'pooled' spares).

 

I know we can get all normal replacement parts for our Racks OK, but I'm not sure with the UK racks. One stock item I would not bother with is some of the racks used a felt bush to support the inner rack on the passenger's side. They really are a cheap and nasty solution to make up for production tolerances. I would suggest having a bush machined up in something like Acetal (I actually use Bronze) and fit that.

 

When overhauling them, the first item to set up is the shimming of the pinion gear and it's bearings, that is then removed and the rest of the rack assembled, the pinion re-fitted and then the Yoke can be shimmed up.

 

Overhauling the rack usually only takes a few hours, usually less than it takes to swap them over!

 

In regards to the up-rated rubber bushes, apart from them coming from that particular supplier, I would express caution at fitting them, there's a bit of a write up on the Mini Spare's website about using hard rubber here. Keep in mind that making one part stiffer only transfers the load / shock to another part. Personally, I fit stock rubbers, which are quite adequate, and replace them about ever year or two, they are cheap enough and very easy to replace.


Edited by Moke Spider, 09 September 2015 - 07:34 PM.


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Posted 09 September 2015 - 07:28 PM

When you say it rattles away while you are going along, is it only when you a steering.
I'm only saying this because I have a similar sound while I'm driving and was trying to track it down for ages. Turned out to be the brake pads rattling in the calipers.

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Posted 09 September 2015 - 07:52 PM

No it's all the time unfortunately. And it is notably from the rack rather the outer side of the car. I am pretty sure it is the inner ball joint at the steering rack where the tie rod joins. I just can't find the part for sale or how to service it (not in Haynes manual as far as I can see).

 

Thanks though - will check pads anyway just to be 100%



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Posted 09 September 2015 - 07:56 PM

Steering Rack usually can be overhauled at home, unless something is really knackered out and needs machining, it's usually only a case of stripping, cleaning and replacing a few parts, re-assembling and some shim adjustments, however what I would suggest, is getting a hold of another second hand rack (or two if cheap enough) and overhauling that, then swapping over.

 

IMO, if when stripped, it's found something does need machining, even though i can do that too in house, I've never bothered, I just move on to another rack (and use what I can out of the first as 'pooled' spares).

 

I know we can get all normal replacement parts for our Racks OK, but I'm not sure with the UK racks. One stock item I would not bother with is some of the racks used a felt bush to support the inner rack on the passenger's side. They really are a cheap and nasty solution to make up for production tolerances. I would suggest having a bush machined up in something like Acetal (I actually use Bronze) and fit that.

 

When overhauling them, the first item to set up is the shimming of the pinion gear and it's bearings, that is then removed and the rest of the rack assembled, the pinion re-fitted and then the Yoke can be shimmed up.

 

Overhauling the rack usually only takes a few hours, usually less than it takes to swap them over!

 

In regards to the up-rated rubber bushes, apart from them coming from that particular supplier, I would express caution at fitting them, there's a bit of a write up on the Mini Spare's website about using hard rubber here. Keep in mind that making one part stiffer only transfers the load / shock to another part. Personally, I fit stock rubbers, which are quite adequate, and replace them about ever year or two, they are cheap enough and very easy to replace.

 Thanks - yes I noticed that in Minispares about not using one poly and one rubber on the tie rods. Appreciate the advice



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Posted 09 September 2015 - 08:05 PM

Here's the Factory info on how to overhaul it;-

 

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This is the (crap) felt bush they fit in them

 

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99% of all rack problems comes from this bush.



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Posted 09 September 2015 - 08:07 PM

Brilliant - thanks for that!






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