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[minisilverbullet]

I have a set of 4 cibie oscar replicas/copies brand as SIM 3205.

Dimension wise they apper the same as cibie oscars. 

 

I just tried to mount them onto a works style bar and found that either the lamps are too deep (they are 115mm deep, 55mm deep from the mounting bolt to the back) or the bar doesn't fit far enough forward.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The space for the outer lamps is basically nothing, at the moment i would just be able to fit a slim line wipac 

 

[minisilverbullet]

It must be the positioning of the bar, as this mini has the same bar and lamps. I think the the angle of the mounting brackets is wrong. 

 

 

 

 

[madaboutcherry]

cibie Oscars didn't exist when the works cars were rallied in the 60's, they would have used slimmer lucas lamps.

 

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[gazza82]

The pooch doesn't look impressed ..

[minisilverbullet]

cibie Oscars didn't exist when the works cars were rallied in the 60's, they would have used slimmer lucas lamps.

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...BgAAOSwEK9T9J4N

I knew that. 

 

But I also thought there would be more room. I have seen others with those lamps and that bar.

 

I did ask minispares if their works bar would work with Cibies and that stated yes. I went with another supplier, but the bar should be the same dimensions. 

[gazza82]

 

 

I did ask minispares if their works bar would work with Cibies and that stated yes. I went with another supplier, but the bar should be the same dimensions. 

 

 

Why did you think that? There has been a lot of recent discussion about ill fitting and poorly made parts ..

[minisilverbullet]

 

 

 

I did ask minispares if their works bar would work with Cibies and that stated yes. I went with another supplier, but the bar should be the same dimensions. 

 

 

Why did you think that? There has been a lot of recent discussion about ill fitting and poorly made parts ..

 

I am well ware of the thread.

 

I just assumed that works bars were works bars. 

 

I think I can make it work. I have added two holes to the bar which bring the outer lamps in about 5cm, will make the clearance a bit better. 

 

The centre bracket really was the wrong shape/profile to i increased the angles of the bends and it is better. 

 

We will see. 

[nicklouse]

Sorry but why would Xs works bsr be the same as Ys works bar.

Also works only means in the style of. Not that it has to be a certain size etc.

[Cooperman]

cibie Oscars didn't exist when the works cars were rallied in the 60's, they would have used slimmer lucas lamps.
 
http://www.ebay.co.u...BgAAOSwEK9T9J4N

Cibie Oscars were first introduced in 1963. I have a photo of my new 998 Cooper with one fitted in mid-1964.
The works didn't fit them as they were contractually required to use only Lucas products and the SLR700 and CFT700 lights were slimmer.
I always made/make my own lamp bars to take 2 and/or 4 lights including the Oscars. To fit my Super Oscars requires an extension plate.

[minisilverbullet]

Sorry but why would Xs works bsr be the same as Ys works bar.

Also works only means in the style of. Not that it has to be a certain size etc.

 

Based upon and assumption I guess. I looked at what was on offer from various suppers, established that the bars were the same (ish) shape. I mean what can really differ interms of how far away the bar is from the grill

 

 

It is no secret that many parts (especially external styling parts) are the same across all suppliers. 

 

I went with the minisport bar as it looked the same as this: 

 

The other bars on the market appeared to be different in that the middle mount is removable and not fixed as the one above. (minisport sold both styles). 

 

I know works isn't a standard or a specific size, it as a mere umbrella marking term for a style of bar. 

 

Anyway, I think the bar I have will work with the lamps i have.   

[whistler]

Seem to remember the cornering lamps used back then often were Cibie fog lamps which were very slim with a super flat beam spread. Cooperman might correct me if I'm wrong. I personally used 2 Cibies forward and 2 lucas 700s, sometimes crosseyed for corners. You can see my bar on one of my ole B&W photos, high up to aid grille access.

[Cooperman]

I have never liked the 'works' lamp bars. The reason being if (when!) you go "off" on a rally the strong brackets on the works bar do a lot of damage to the body.
My brackets use an aluminium bar 2" wide by 0.25" thick mounted using 1/16" thick steel brackets. In a crash the brackets bend before anything else. I know it works because when I hit a 5-bar gate head on I broke my Super Oscars but did no damage to the front panel.

[Cooperman]

I do recall the slim Cibie fog lights which were often used as 'cornering lights'. I used to have a pair of Lucas SLR 700 with a halogen bulb conversion plus a pair of SLR 700 casings with ordinary headlight reflectors adapted to take a single filament halogen bulb as spread beam cornering lights.
For current historic rallying only 2 additional lights are allowed, but I have found that a pair of Super Oscars with 100 watt bulbs are all that is needed.

[whistler]

I do recall the slim Cibie fog lights which were often used as 'cornering lights'. I used to have a pair of Lucas SLR 700 with a halogen bulb conversion plus a pair of SLR 700 casings with ordinary headlight reflectors adapted to take a single filament halogen bulb as spread beam cornering lights.
For current historic rallying only 2 additional lights are allowed, but I have found that a pair of Super Oscars with 100 watt bulbs are all that is needed.

I converted a pair of Lucas 700 casings to accept a pair of Carello Alfa/Lancia headlamps with dual halogen bulbs. Relayed them so all 4 came on with main beam. You could toast bread from the heat.

[Cooperman]

When halogen bulbs were first on sale in about 1963 - they were called 'Iodine Vapour Bulbs' back then - I recall making up adaptors to suit. The problem initially was determining the correct position for the bulb so that the beam was the corret shape.