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[miniman5]

yo! can people tell me what every thing does ice wise liek sub and that lot i think this looks sooo kool is it good or not??


http://www.bassjunki...rce=subcategory

[Alex1380]

it may look cool but it isn't good stuff, you would be much better looking at the fusion range of subs which are afordable and very good quotlity.
if you like the light up ring thats around the sub they can be bought on there own and put with which ever sub you do buy. but buy good quolity stuff avoid SPLX there pants and aviod sony which have a poor sound.
Alex.

[Brawlyrox]

exactly what alex says, do not but SPLX, it aint big or clever!

Fusion is the good stuff, good quality and good price!

Always read the ratings when you are buying sound system you will soon learn what is good and what is C**p, and always always look for RMS figures over peak output.

[Madmax]

first hand experience here...

1. Fusion ARE good, but everythings luminescent green...
2. Focal ARE good, but can be pricey
3. Sony ARE C**p, but are cheap
4. Alpine make the best head units
5. Nakamichi head units are the best quality (24 bit DAC), but pricey (499 quid for the entry level head unit.
6. 6x9`s are NOT the best speakers
7. you dont need more than one sub in a mini
8. under seat rear speaker boards might look like an easy option, but it makes the speakers fire into the rear of your seat...so they sound C**p
9. SPLX are a budget brand...with budget results
10. RMS is the figure to look at as brawlyrox says, RMS means Root Means Squared, this is the exact amount of power in watts that an AMP will put out, or what a Sub will take, Peak is the power that an Amp or Sub will take for a negligable amount of time i.e 1 second before it will destroy itself. Its put on the products by manufacturers to make their stuff look powerful, when in actual fact, it aint.
11. Find someone you know who knows alot about audio, tell them what you want, they should guide you in the right direction. or ill help if you tell me what your after

hope that makes sense

right onto explaining ICE...

Head Units
Can be picked up for around 100 quid for a reasonable unit. Try to get as much WPC (watts per channel) as possible, as this will give the speakers more power, therefore more sound! You dont need to have a unit with all the bells 'n' whistles, cheaper ones sound just as good.

Amplifiers
In car amplifiers can be picked up for around the same price as many head units. You dont need to have the specified rating amp for a particular sub, it will just sound better. I have run a 90Watt Alpine T130 amp on a JBL 10'' sub and it sounds reasonable. The best amps to go for are the Mono channel variety if you want one to run a sub. Multi - channel amps are the ones to go for if you want to amp up the whole speaker system excluding a sub. To make an amplifier work, you will have to run a permanent live from your battery, as most amps and subs are in the boot of a mini, this isnt much of a problem. + on the battery, straight to the + on the amp. Then an earth is needed, usually anything metal on a mini is earthed, so no problems there. The headunit should have some audio connections known as 'Pre-Outs' these are phono cables that go straight to the amplifiers. This is what carries the sound to the amp. If the head unit doesnt have any pre outs, dont worry. You can get some things called speaker to RCA adaptors, this uses one of the channels of the head unit and converts it to a phono connection.

Subwoofers
As mentioned a million times before, RMS is the figure to look for, try match the amp accordingly. Good brands to look for are Audiobahn, JBL (for the money), Fusion and Kicker (the solobaric (square) versions). Size does matter. A 10 inch sub will have more punch as the cone has a tighter diaphragm and has less space and room to complete one complete implode and explode (or 'Throw'). A 12 inch sub will be louder as it has more surface area to push more air. But it needs more time to complete one throw and therefore the response time is much more than a 10. 12's are more suited to R&B applications, whereas 10's will be better for dance.

Neons
Neons are stupid

Speakers
The best speakers to go for are the ROUND ones, not the OVAL 6x9 shape. Most people seem to think that 6x9's are the best in the world, THEY ARENT. Round speakers have more MID and generally a much better sound quality. Components are the best to go for. These comprise of a minature subwoofer, tweeter and crossover. Tweeters are very small speakers that are used for the very very high frequencies. You wouldnt believe how many idiots come into my work and call them 'tweekers' NO they are not, they are 'TWEETERS'. Then you get a crossover box, this basically sorts out the highs from the lows and sends the signal to the correct speaker.
Speaker cable is just as important as the speakers themselves, a good quality one is a must. Otherwise you will end up with alot of crackle coming from impuritys in the wire. Much like the fuzz on a TV set when no channel is programmed in, except in that case it is caused by background radiation.

well, thats all the detail i could go into at the moment, i could go into atomic detail about everything but i think i'd bore you.

Any advice, just ask.

J

[miniman5]

ok so the 1st thing to buy is.....


ohh yea i need a head u nit (thats the cd player right) that plays copied cd's! im not forking out for a cd that i only like 3 or 4 track of!



im after a good qwality system at low cost! i dont wana pay more than 100 sqwid for a head unit to be honest so what the best i can get for 100???? ile be lisning to stuff like darude (sandstorm) and drum and bass and dance and trance stuff realy um... ohh will i need one of them carpet box's for the sub? yea i will DUHH!! what should i pay for a sub?? i want a 10" as that will be the best for what ile be lisning to if i red madmax's thingi right wats the best i can get i like the look of the xplod ones but there sony and they r C**p acording to what people have been telling me so what do u recomend? does it matter what box i get as long as it is a 10"?? if it dont i can get one from motor mania later???

[Brawlyrox]

a head unit would prob be 1st on my list - personally i wouldnt go for flashy lights and cool displays.... as it could mean that less development has gone into where it matters - the sound

Then i would buy a decent set of speakers to be situated nicely in the front - components you cant beat em, remember the more u spend the more u get " u get what u pay 4"

Then save for a decent sub and amp... and always always use GOOD wiring its no good using doorbell wire for sound systems IMHO.

[miniman5]

door bell haha so go for a plain head? not some all singing all dancing one

[Alex1380]

there a nice JVC mp3 player head unit with remoto and lots of bells and whisles for £149.99 at halfords, when for a 10" i like the vibe cbr10" which is in a premade box with a amp built in and it fits in the boot of a mini easy. there £199.99 then u would just need some speakers. metro door pockets take a 10cm speaker like the pioneer 10cm speakers which are yellow and are £59.99 and very good, and that pritty much all u need.
Alex.

[miniman5]

okie dokie thats like double my budget for the sub to be honest

[miniman5]

yo! do you think these are good subs for the prices?


http://bassjunkies.c...rce=subcategory

http://bassjunkies.c...75&source=brand

http://bassjunkies.c...source=category

what channel amp should i get?? is it one channel for each speaker thingi? because id need one for the sub and maybe 2 or 4 more i think

[TimS]

£100 for a head unit id start looking second hand, unless you know peopel in the business that can get old obsolete units. The JVC's are very budget and have a habit of breaking after some time. If iw as you id save a little as if u spend the minimum, ul get get ******* and end up throwing it away. Second hand alipne head units are the best thing to go for, they will all play WR/R CDs although look a bit higher and ul get MP3 ones too.


Amps, well each speaker will need a channel so a 2 channel will only power 2 speakers. Though if you want to run a sub then you do something called BRIDGING, this is where u turn 2 channels into 1 more powerfull channel and therefore can run a subwoofer which will use more power than a pair of speakers. You can also get an amp called a mono block... mono mean one so only has 1 channel, these are made specifically for subwoofers and are usually low quality but high out put class A amplifiers. You will be look at at least £200 up for these.

As for running an amplifier you head unit will need preouts, each preout is just a set of phono outs that runs to the amp and an rca which tells the amps to turn on when u turn the head unit on. If you want to run 2 amps then you will need a head unit with at least 2 preouts. The JVC's under £100 only have one.


As for the Pioneer TSW255F subwoofer on bass junkies, it will be useless in your car as its a free air subwoofer unless you stick iyt in the parcel shelf(bad idea- ask mad max) free air means that the subwoofer is made to produce bass with out being in an inclosure... in my opinion and experience these are poo as an enclosure will amplify bass using superposition of the sound waves.


Kicker COMPVR102 - now kicker make good subwoofers especially solobaric ones... this one is a nice tight sounding sub, especially being 10" althought a little unpowerfull as it is only 300watts at 2 ohms impeadence so the equivelent in 4 ohms is 150watts though if this is RMS is is good but if peak it is poor.


The Audiobahn ABP101T i wouldnt even look at, although getting there as the idea of a combined sub/amp and box combo is a good idea as everything is matched at the factory and is often cheaper and givethe adavtage of saving space

[bankxi]

whall what do you all think of Audiobahn i think they are ace

[Madmax]

that they are(from both mad max and flappyplasticbits) but i wudnt go for their bass box although they do mnake very high quality equipment

[bankxi]

ok i was going to say i have a mate who has 2 12'' Audiobahn subs n they will blow anythin away 4 bass and looks

[miniman5]

is this any good?



http://bassjunkies.c...rce=subcategory



Does it mater what box i get??