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[MaximMini]

Hi Everyone,

 

This is what I'm planning to use for my engine and gearbox rebuilds (see my signature). Your comments are highly appreciated.

 

 

Millers Oils Assembly Lubricant

https://www.millerso...ly-lubricant-2/

Features and Benefits

• Assembly lube has been specifically formulated to give mechanical protection during initial start-up of newly assembled components.
• It is designed to be retained on the components treated during assembly and provide very high levels of anti-wear protection, especially components which are subjected to high stress levels i.e. camshafts/followers, crankshaft bearings etc.
• Unlike Assembly Paste-type compounds, Assembly Lube is fully miscible and compatible with all engine oils and will fully dissipate on start-up, reducing the need for an extra oil change.

Product Information

Assembly Lube is specially formulated for competition engine and transmission builders.
Solvent refined medium base stocks treated with high concentration of anti-wear additives.

Use as received for assembly of mechanical components to ensure protection during initial start-up.

 

Edelbrock Torco Engine Assembly Lube HP

https://www.edelbroc...embly-lube.html

Torco Engine Assembly Lube is favoured by professional mechanics for assembling pistons, camshafts and valvetrain components. Engine Assembly Lube is a high viscosity oil soluble lubricant which contains a concentrate of anti-wear and anti-friction chemistries featuring the highest degree of protection.

Features:

• Favoured By Professional Mechanics For Assembling
• Pistons/Camshafts And Valvetrain Components
• High Viscosity/Oil Soluble Lubricant
• Contains Concentrate Of Anti-Wear/Anti-Friction
• Chemistries Featuring Highest Degree Of Protection

 

Kolloid-Grafit-Paste (Colloidal graphite paste)

https://www.gloeckle...index_1325.html

Sliding u. Lubricant for valves, roller bearings, sliding surfaces, running-in processes and assembly. Good temperature resistance.

Drip point of the carrier grease: 200 ° C.

Temperature range: -20 to +130 ° C

In addition, emergency running properties due to the high solid lubricant content.

Similar to Graphogen Assembly Compound

 

Elring Dirko grey

https://www.elring.c..._EN_12-2016.pdf

The permanently-elastic, temperature-resistant sealing compound

Description and field of application:

DirkoTM grey is a high-temperature sealing compound on a silicone base. DirkoTM grey cures by reacting with the humidity in the air. The cured sealing compound is permanently resilient. The product is characterized by a very large range of applications.

1.General product information:

• Chemical basis: Oxime silicone
• Curing: Room temperature vulcanized (RTV)Components
• One component
• Colour: Grey
• Consistency: Pasty, stable, in the cured state permanently resilient
• Temperature range: -60 °C to +280 °C (briefly +300 °C)
• Maximum sealing gap: 2.0 mm
• pH: Neutral
• Electrical conductivity: Insulating
• Resistant to: Oil, grease, coolant, UV radiation, cold and hot water, salt water, detergents, weak acids and lyes, etc.

Possible applications: Valve cover, oil pan, water and oil pump, differential housing, gearbox, gear oil sump, thermostat housing, control housing, shaft cover, flanged connection, headlamp, tail light, battery compartment, etc.

 

MW Flächendichtung orange (Surface seal orange)

https://www.werkstat...flächendichtung

Characteristics:

• - Max. Gap filling capacity: 0.30 mm
• - Solvent-free construction element for all seal sizes
• - ideal for complex shaped parts
• - Can be used on vertical surfaces due to thixotropic properties
• - the max. Pressure sealing capacity up to 350 bar is achieved with the exclusion of oxygen after complete hardening
• - Thermal application range from -55 ° C to +150 ° C
• - Hand-tight: 15 - 30 min.
• - Functional: 1 - 3 hours
• - removable
• - Colour: orange

Resistant to:

• Water, mineral oils, synthetic lubricants, fuels, organic solvents and coolants

Applications:

• - automotive industry
• - chemical and petrochemical industry
• - Gas, water and electricity plants
• - oil rigs
• - and many more

 

Surface seals are used, for example, in the area of gearboxes and engine housings, flange connections, bearing caps, oil pans and differential housing covers.

Solvent-free construction element for all seal sizes.

 

WEICON Anti-Seize High-Tech Assembly Paste

https://www.weicon.d...-assembly-paste

Description

Anti Seize "High-Tech" is high temperature resistant, has excellent separating characteristics, is metal-free, neutral to materials and has an NSF approval.

Anti-Seize „High-Tech“ is particularly suitable when metal-containing pastes can cause electrolytic reactions, when nickel-containing products should or may not be used due to health reasons and when dark metal containing products should or may not be used for optical reasons.

 

Autol TOP 2000 Longtime-Fett

Multi-purpose high temperature grease with good adhesive properties and high mechanical and thermal stability.

Characteristics (typical value)

Soap Basis: Li-complex soap with spec. Ca content

Temperature range: -25 °C to +150 °C, short-term +200 °C

Drop point: > 260 °C

Base oil viscosity at 40 °C: approx. 600 mm²/s

Timken-Test (O.K. load): 55 lb

Behaviour to water: 1-90

Corrosion protection properties (EMCOR-Test): Corr.-grad. 0 and 0

Content: 400g cartridge

Properties and Performance:

• AUTOL TOP 2000 HIGH TEMP is a high pressure grease of the consistence class 2 with exceptionally good adhesive properties.
• It has an extreme mechanical and thermal stability, protects the lubrication points against corrosion and is water resistant.
• The combination of the special base oils with the saponification type leads to a high efficiency also under extreme conditions as they prevail in the construction industry, in wheel bearings of large axles or bearings in damp surroundings.

 

WEICONLOCK® AN 302-72

https://www.weicon.d...stud-bolts?c=33

Description

Locking of threads and stud bolts, high temperature resistant, DVGW approval

• higher viscosity
• high strength
• hard to disassemble

 

MW Buchsen- & Lagerfest hochfest (High Strength, Retaining Compound)

https://www.werkstat...param=lagerfest

• 
  Characteristics:
  - fast curing
• - Resistant to many media
• - Very high strength even on slightly oily parts to be joined
• - Medium and high viscosities for bearings and bushings

Similar to LOCTITE 638

 

LOCTITE 243

https://www.henkel-a...octite_243.html

Thread locking Adhesive - medium strength. General purpose. Suitable for all metal threaded assemblies.

LOCTITE® 243 is a general purpose thread locker of medium bond strength. This thread locker secures and seal bolts, nuts and studs to prevent loosening due to vibration. The product works on all metals, including passive substrates such as stainless steel, aluminium and plated surfaces. It is proven to be tolerant of minor contamination due to industrial oils, e.g. motor oils, corrosion prevention oils and cutting fluids.

• Prevents loosening on vibrating assemblies, e.g. pumps, gear boxes or presses
• Works on all metals, including passive substrates (e.g. stainless steel, aluminium, plated surfaces)
• Proven to tolerate minor contamination by industrial oils, e.g. motor oils, corrosion prevention oils and cutting fluids
• Permits disassembly with hand tools for servicing
• P1 NSF Reg. No.: 123000

 

LOCTITE 270

https://www.henkel-a...ctite_2702.html

Thread locking Adhesive - high strength. Permanent locking. Suitable for all metal threaded assemblies.

LOCTITE® 270 is a high-strength thread locker for maximum efficacy in the securing and sealing of bolts, nuts and studs to prevent loosening due to vibration. The product serves to permanently lock assemblies which must not come loose. It works on all metals, including passive substrates such as stainless steel, aluminium and plated surfaces. It is proven to be tolerant of minor contamination due to industrial oils, e.g. motor oils, corrosion prevention oils and cutting fluids. Can be disassembled by heating to 300°C.

• High-strength general thread locker for maximum efficacy
• Prevents loosening on vibrating assemblies, e.g. pumps, gear boxes or presses
• Works on all metals, including passive substrates (e.g. stainless steel, aluminium, plated surfaces)
• Proven to be tolerant of minor contamination due to industrial oils, e.g. motor oils, corrosion prevention oils and cutting fluids
• Permits disassembly with hand tools
• Can be disassembled by heating to 300°C
• P1 NSF Reg. No.: 123006

 

Cheers from the Pied Piper's Town

[nicklouse]

I would not be using 270.

[nicklouse]

The millers stuff is great I gave a bottle away many years ago. Wish I still had it.

[MaximMini]

Hi nicklouse,

The Loctite 270 I got for the single purpose of reassembling the halfes of my brake callipers. Won't use it on anything that I may have to disassemble again.

[nicklouse]

just been looking up Kolloid-Grafitpaste basically the same as Graphogen. if you are going to use it use a little as you can as it just washes into the gearbox and stays there.

it used to be the thing to use but people are going off it.

http://www.graphogen...p?pageid=644920

 

 

[MaximMini]

Thought it would be a good idea to use it for the cam followers, not on the faces though.

[Spider]

I think you might be over-thinking things and looking for products that I feel, from my experience, are not warranted on a Mini.

 

For engine assembly lube, I use engine oil most of the time. If it's an engine that is likely to stand for a while before being started, I'll use gearbox oil. The factory used 10W40 on the assembly line.

 

I have seen some disastrous results from using some fancy assembly lube products, from rings that won't bed in, glazed bores, cam followers that wore in a single spot and glazed gearbox baulk rings.

 

For Chemical Locking products, where the engine and gearbox has Locktabs I use Loctite 243 and found that very good, but it is necessary to clean the threads very well first.

 

I also use Loctite 238 - I think - on the Mainshaft Bearing to help lock it in.

 

[MaximMini]

Hi Moke Spider,

 

It's a fact that I tent to over think things .

 

My idea on using the different lubricants is:

 

Millers Oils Assembly Lubricant for general purposes where the oil film should stay intact until first start-up (which may only happen in a half or one year time).

 

Edelbrock Torco Engine Assembly Lube HP on the cam bearings and the contact area of the followers.

 

Kolloid-Grafit-Paste on the cam followers where they run in their bores.

 

Where ever I just need some lubricant to ease assembly, I will be using motor oil.

 

What do you think about it?

 

 

Thank you so much for commenting guys ..

 

 

[Spider]

Up to you if you'd like to try those products. While I do always keep an eye out for alternatives, I also tend to follow " if it isn't broken, don't fix it " way of thinking too.

 

I did forget to mention, I put a lick of Molly Grease on Cam Followers, unless it comes as a kit with a special break in lubricant.

[nicklouse]

use the Millers instead of the Kolloid-Grafit-Paste

 

[MaximMini]

Thank you very much for all your input.

[nicklouse]

I should just add a thank you as it has helped me in seeing what is available in Germany. I will be getting some Miller’s shortly and just be using haylomar blue for the rest.

[MaximMini]

Bought it at https://www.sandtler...ter-150252.html

[nicklouse]

Bought it at https://www.sandtler...ter-150252.html

why did i not know that! been there a few times and not clocked that they do Millers oils.

 

so like i said that for lubing all the parts and Blue for the gaskets and job done. plus loctite(s).