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#1 Squiks

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Posted 24 May 2021 - 11:12 AM

Good day to all you enthusiasts. I’ve recently bought a rebuilt 998 engine, now a 1098.

The chap I bought it from did pretty much everything to the motor which I’m hoping is true. Classic Mini 1098cc Rebuilt engine and box

Brand new clutch, oil pump.  All new seals and gaskets.  Shells, piston rings and bores all checked and good”

 

He did mention there was no oil in it.

My questions are:

  • Is it normal practise not to put oil in it while in storage or after a rebuild?
  • Should I put oil in it and periodically turn the engine on the crank pulley to lubricate the bearings, as I’m looking to install approx 1 year from now?
  • Could you recommend a good oil to use for such an engine.

Thanks for your time.

 

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#2 nicklouse

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Posted 24 May 2021 - 11:39 AM

Hard to keep oil in a Mini engine with no gearbox on it.



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Posted 24 May 2021 - 12:45 PM

Hard to keep oil in a Mini engine with no gearbox on it.

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Nick... I believe it does have the gearbox as he said engine and box... although I chuckled at the idea.

others more knowledgeable may offer input, but after tearing an engine down, I would say “yes”. It’s a good idea to keep oil in while storing. For storage, I’m not sure it really matters on type of oil because you’re not running it. Once your reinstall the engine however, I recommend Valvoline VR1 for the high Zinc content needed for the gearbox.

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Posted 24 May 2021 - 12:51 PM

 

Hard to keep oil in a Mini engine with no gearbox on it.

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Nick... I believe it does have the gearbox as he said engine and box... although I chuckled at the idea.

others more knowledgeable may offer input, but after tearing an engine down, I would say “yes”. It’s a good idea to keep oil in while storing. For storage, I’m not sure it really matters on type of oil because you’re not running it. Once your reinstall the engine however, I recommend Valvoline VR1 for the high Zinc content needed for the gearbox.

 

Again if there are no inner CV’s fitted then again hard to keep the oil in.  And if it has the CV cups fitted they will need popping out to fit the ones on the driveshafts. Also transporting an engine full of oil is problematic.

 

if built correctly oil is not needed. As it should have been built with assembly lube.

 

but then we have seen many internet engine buys which have just been a cost of paint.



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Posted 24 May 2021 - 02:34 PM

Thanks for the responses. FYI - Engine is complete with gear box and the chap who "re-built"  the motor (Hopefully not just a paint job) covered all open ends, thermostat, carb lines etc and fitted these plastic CV cups. Looks can be deceiving, but he had a decent tandem garage at the rear of his property with loads of machinery including a lathe and sand blaster. He'd just finished a total restoration on a 84 Mayfair and had 2x 85 Austin bodies he was starting on next, so to be honest, he looked like a pretty decent bloke. I paid £700 for this engine. Only thing it's missing is a starter and an alternator of which I have both. What are your thoughts??

cheers.



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Posted 24 May 2021 - 03:07 PM

You not know for sure until you run it. Or strip it. Fingers crossed though.



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Posted 24 May 2021 - 04:07 PM

At £700 it can’t possibly have been rebuilt correctly unless he’s taking a massive loss, has he offered a warranty, any other advice regarding it?

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Posted 24 May 2021 - 04:26 PM

Does seem cheap - I'd want to see receipts for the parts? We may be doing him a dis-service, he may be an enthusiast who built it for himself and just wants the outlay back but I think the gearbox bearings and gaskets etc are @ £300 before you even start on the engine. 



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Posted 24 May 2021 - 04:40 PM

Clearly he took it apart, all looked ok, so he changed the oil pump and put it all back as he found it. It could well be fine, I’d say try it!



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Posted 24 May 2021 - 08:33 PM

Freshly machined surfaces will (usually) be dry of oil or it will run / drip off in short time, as a result, generally, fresh engines are difficult to store so they 'keep'.

Assuming the assembly will hold Oil, it would be a good idea to put oil in it, and if it's likely to be in there a while, (1 year +), use new but cheap oil, as the additives in any oil have a shelf life, you'll likely need to dump that oil before running it. I suggest this only to give the gearbox some protection. Spin the output shafts, so the gears (in neutral) can spin over and splash some oil about. It's not ideal, but better than nothing.

I wouldn't recommend turning the engine over or if you do, keep it very limited. Assuming it has a fresh ground cam and followers, any assembly lube applied here you don't want to wipe off until it's about to run and be splashed with engine oil, though, you will want to turn it over 1 complete rev (read on).

With the Oil Filter in place, remove the Oil Switch and with clean oil and a clean oil can, fit an adaptor and hose here so you can pump oil in to the galleries under some pressure to get oil to the crank, bearings etc. Initially when you do this, you'll need around 1/2 a litre of oil, as you'll be filling the oil filter. I'd suggest doing this say once a month to be on the safe side, but each subsequent time, you won't need much oil at all, say 10 pumps will be enough.

 

Remove the Spark Plugs and spray some Preserving Oil in each of the cylinders. Sadly, it's unlikely this will coat the entire cylinder as you can only work from the spark plug hole. Pick the 2 cylinders that look to have the Pistons at BDC, give them a good spray, wind the engine over 1/2 a rev, do the other 2. Refit the spark plugs. I'd suggest doing this only the once.

Spray some preserving oil in to the ports, make yourself a decent cover that you can bolt on, with a manifold gasket and seal up the ports.

If you can keep the engine in a warm dry place, that will go a long way to keeping it 'good'. Lounge room looks good :D



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Posted 24 May 2021 - 11:16 PM

At £700, and for the relatively small amount of additional work involved, I would want to take that engine off of the block and check the bottom end bearings, crank end float, cam and follower condition and, with the head off, inspect/measure the bores, measure andcalculate the CR, check the valves and guides for seating and free play and for current stem oil seals, etc.

In fact, I would never put an allegedly 'rebuilt' engine into a Mini without checking it over first. It it is not 'all good', it is a lot of work to take it out again.

I once bought an Innocenti Cooper 1300 with an engine which had 'recently been fully rebuilt by a local well-known engine reconditioner'. When I took the head off, it had the low compression pistons and the CR was about 8.1:1. I stripped the engine and the crank float was excessive as was the primary gear end float. In the end, I honed the bores, fitted the correct 21253 pistons, fitted a new oil pump & timing chain and a few other parts. Yes, i'm sure it had been recently rebuilt - but badly! 



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Posted 25 May 2021 - 07:44 AM

At £700, and for the relatively small amount of additional work involved, I would want to take that engine off of the block and check the bottom end bearings, crank end float, cam and follower condition and, with the head off, inspect/measure the bores, measure andcalculate the CR, check the valves and guides for seating and free play and for current stem oil seals, etc.

In fact, I would never put an allegedly 'rebuilt' engine into a Mini without checking it over first. It it is not 'all good', it is a lot of work to take it out again.

I once bought an Innocenti Cooper 1300 with an engine which had 'recently been fully rebuilt by a local well-known engine reconditioner'. When I took the head off, it had the low compression pistons and the CR was about 8.1:1. I stripped the engine and the crank float was excessive as was the primary gear end float. In the end, I honed the bores, fitted the correct 21253 pistons, fitted a new oil pump & timing chain and a few other parts. Yes, i'm sure it had been recently rebuilt - but badly! 

 

I'd echo this as somebody who purchased a cheap "rebuilt" engine, which is believed to be from an Austin 1300GT so probably quite close to your Innocenti Cooper 1300 engine in spec. It looked visually nice and fresh but I basically plopped it straight into my Mk1, and despite it having covered very low miles, a recent tuning session with AC Dodd confirmed my suspicions that it's either knackered or been rebuilt very badly! So now I'm looking at having to save up quite a bit of money to rebuild it properly, and in the meantime am crossing my fingers that it'll last long enough to get me to a few shows and events over this summer.



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Posted 25 May 2021 - 03:05 PM

'If you can keep the engine in a warm dry place, that will go a long way to keeping it 'good'. Lounge room looks good :D'

 

Don't know why anyone would object to this?

 

 

 






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