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#1 1984mini25

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Posted 20 January 2023 - 05:15 PM

I’ve recently drained and had the fuel tank out to clean out a load of rust and crap and fit an inline filter under the boot floor. I did filter and refill the tank with half a cans worth of the old fuel I drained out, which should be enough to get it running and to the nearest petrol station.

I had it running briefly for 10 to 15 minutes to check for any leaks etc. It wasn’t running perfect with it occasionally misfiring and running a little rough, but I put that down to the old fuel, but it was running.

I tried staring it after sitting for two days and ever since all its done it turn over and not fire.

So far what I’ve tried.

  • Yes there is enough fuel still in the tank
  • The float isn’t stuck and float bowl is full of fuel
  • Removed carb dashpot and piston and blown though jet which is also clear
  • Poured a cap full of fuel down the carb, nothing
  • With ignition on, checked for spark at the points, which there was
  • With a plug removed, checked for spark which there was but it also tried to fire and kicked back on the starter
  • Drained battery trying to start, trickle charged to 14.2 and refitted the next morning holding charge at 12.5.
  • Tried staring with the freshly charged battery, turns over but doesn’t fire
  • Replaced the coil with a spare known good one
  • Ht leads and dizzy cap are all new, as I broke the dizzy cap refitting one of the clips and upon fitting the new cap pulled one of the old ht leads apart.
  • Marked and removed dizzy and replaced the points, reset the gap and condenser

 

Still does nothing but turn over, the plugs are wet and all spark when removed, but then it also tries to fire with only 3 plugs fitted. Ignition timing was set to 8 degrees at 1000 rpm with the vacuum advance blocked and hadn’t been touched before the not starting issue.

 

 

 



#2 mab01uk

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Posted 20 January 2023 - 07:15 PM

How old was the fuel? My Mini either runs very rough on old fuel or won't start....might be worth getting a can of fresh petrol.



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Posted 20 January 2023 - 07:53 PM

What does the battery voltage drop to on cranking with all spark plug in?

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Posted 20 January 2023 - 09:16 PM

I would also ask how old the plugs are.....

Nothing these days seams to last.....

(or i am just getting old'er....... and Grumpy'er)

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Posted 20 January 2023 - 10:25 PM

How old was the fuel? My Mini either runs very rough on old fuel or won't start....might be worth getting a can of fresh petrol.

Pass as I can’t actually remember, although it was staring and ruining on exactly the same fuel 2 days ago and doesn’t even chough with anything voile poured down the carb. Thinking I might just drain the last of the fuel out of the tank and just replace it with a can of fresh, rather than trying to mix and use up the old stuff.

 

What does the battery voltage drop to on cranking with all spark plug in?

I haven’t checked (will do) but was turning over ok, until too many attempts finally drained the battery too low (below 11.8v).

 

I would also ask how old the plugs are.....

Nothing these days seams to last.....

(or i am just getting old'er....... and Grumpy'er)

Replaced over the summer and have done very little mileage. I had been thinking on changing from bpr6es (running points but I didn’t think the resistors would make much difference?) to bp5es as even with the fuel mixture set correctly, they do occasionally get a bit sooty and put that down to a slightly smoky on start-up 998 thats done nearly 80k.

What I don’t get is all 4 of the plugs spark when rested against one of the head studs, but at the same time it tries to fire (briefly) on the 3 remaining plugs.  



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Posted 20 January 2023 - 10:36 PM

It might be worth trying a compression test. A blown gasket between cylinders could explain why it tries to start on 3 plugs

Were the leads all in the right order & distributor timed at the correct TDC?

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Posted 20 January 2023 - 10:45 PM

I had good,(13+ volts), on battery, but cranking it dropped to less than 10v.
Still turned over ok but not enough 'zap' to give a spark. It would try and fire as I backed off the key, it would also try and start with one plug removed as it didn't take as much battery power to turn it over.
New battery sorted it.

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Posted 21 January 2023 - 07:34 PM

Try towing in gear, or a 6 volt coil



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Posted 21 January 2023 - 10:22 PM

Try (shock horror scandal) some Easystart, if it fires on that then its fuel, if it doesn't then its electrical.

 

A lot of people don't like it but its basically ether which a lot of the older large diesel engines used for cold starting, I wouldn'y use it a lot but in this sort of circumstance on a standard low stressed engine its helpful.

 

I had an issue getting my MK2 jag to start recently, i've fitted a secondhand (hopefully) good engine and it came with what looked like a good set of plugs so I took them out, gapped them and then cleaned them planning to replace them when I ordered my next lot of parts from the Jag spares place, it wouldn't start and in the end I put in a new set of plugs and it fire right up and I can only deduce there was maybe a load of carbon in the plug that was shorting it out of something like that.  If I put the old plugs back in it wouldn't go and then new plugs back in and off it went.



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Posted 22 January 2023 - 05:38 PM

Well I had another go at starting it. Rather than mess around trying to clean up the old plugs, I'd found a used but know good/working set in the breakdown tool bag in the boot. Popped the 'new' plugs in and with a bit of turning over it fired into life. Although It would only run on full choke at 2.5k until warm enough not to need the choke anymore. Pretty much like from 12 minuets in on this YouTube video.

 

Witch is probably the fuel going off? As I think I last filled the tank before the mot back in October, and although I've run the fuel down in the tank due to other things the mini just hasn't been used since. 

 

Oh and DeadSquare - It's already running a 6-9volt coil with both the pink ballast and 12v white starting feed the solenoid. 


Edited by 1984mini25, 22 January 2023 - 05:42 PM.


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Posted 22 January 2023 - 08:11 PM

Bingo.... what do i win......

Well done matey.. always the things you think are fine.. scratched my head a fair few times with this lovely problem amongst others,...




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