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#1 lildeucecoop72

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Posted 12 June 2023 - 07:26 AM

Right, nearly finished building my box/diff -  Its (still!) on the bench.

Everytrhing was fine until I torqued up the speedo side (passenger's side on UK car) big hardy-spicer flange bolt to the specified torque (55 nm).

 

As I turn that flange, it becomes quite stiff at a certain point. Looking inside the box, this happens every revolution of the crownwheel and at the same point (i marked the teeth) when it meets the pinion gear.

The clutch/drivers side is also slightly (very tiny ammount) stiffer at this point but not really noticeable, and had I not investigated the passenger side, I don't think I would have noticed or worried about it. 

Neither side show any resistance when the bolts are not torqued up.'

 

The facts:

 

Box is rebuilt and checked

The pinon is torqued to 207 Nm

The bushes on the output shaft and end covers have been replaced and proffesionally machined to the tollerances reccomended. 

 All diff internal parts replaced except  output shafts and cross pins that looked OK. Everything here torqued to spec.

The diff felt nice and smooth before it went in.

Bearings are new

The diff is correctly shimmed

The end covers/diff rear-cover are correctly torqued with their gaskets

The half moon collets are in the flange (though these were slightly diffent thicknesses so have filed so that they are even) along with rubber seal.

Everything else moves smoothly. 

 

The crown wheel and pinion are both used and not a matching pair, so my first thought is that it could be that?

 

 

I am trying to understand:

 

Why binding happens at a certain point

Why this happens on just one side 

Why only when its torqued up.

 

Perhaps the parts will wear into eachother when driving it's actually all OK?

 

 

cheers, Tom

 

 

   



#2 lildeucecoop72

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Posted 12 June 2023 - 10:52 PM

I might have (created the problem and) solved this myself, but will know more later this week.
 
Looks like it could be the collets that sit behind the big flange bolts/rubber grommets - these were uneven, so I filed them down a bit so that they match eachother.
It's possible that as these are now 'thinner', this allowes the flange to move further in towards the diff when being torqued up and bind something, and would explain why they dont bind/have free movement when not torqued up. 
 
I will try some other collets I am collecting later this week and report back if this makes any difference. Fingers crossed. 
 
I also think the crown/pinion might just need to wear-in against eachother.


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Posted 13 June 2023 - 06:57 AM

hi, Mine was similar when I built it up, one side (think the rad side) was stiffer to turn by hand.  Wondered, worried but started it up on the floor before fitting and seemed okay.  4000 miles later, no issues, so stopped worrying now!



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Posted 20 June 2023 - 08:09 PM

Thanks for your replies, I ended up carefully grinding down the end of Hardy spicer flange slightly, along with new half moon washers and this seemed to help a little but giving it a bit more space. I think it was rubbing against the new bearing when fully torqued. It still is a little stiff but much much better, and as I mentioned, I put that down to the the crown/pinion gears not being worn into one another yet.

As floor manager says am confident it will be ok once I get going.




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