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[Richard e]

Hello. 998 1985 city e standard non servo brakes. Brakes work and stop car but pedal is dead - part explained by non servo I guess. So wondering if Mintex 1144 would give a better brake feel and be more effective at stopping the car. But manufacturer says these pads are not suitable for road use. Is there something I should know before trying these or are they not suitable for my set up? Thanks in advance.

[Rubbershorts]

Just been discussing these pads

https://www.theminif...fade/?p=3792207

I'd also be interested in a few more opinions.

[Richard e]

Yes I saw that - but not sure there was an answer to road use?

[PeterG]

By far the best pads I have found are Hawk HPS pads available in the US for the MG Midget, same pads as the 8.8" mini. 

Hawk HB123F.535 HPS Front Brake Pads 67-74 MG Midget 1.3L

[Rubbershorts]

A couple of the responses advocate using them for road. I'll definitely be trying them but won't just bang them on and go. I'll be driving initially with the 'not for road use' in mind. All our driving styles are different so maybe the guys using them with success drive quite aggressively, and that may suit the pads. As you though, it would be good to hear more.

[imack]

I'm not sure why 1144 say not for road use, but I'm using them in my unservo'd KAD 7.9" vented calipers for road use and they work superbly and predictably under all road conditions. They actually work better from cold than my previous standard Ferrodo pads on the same discs and calipers. The only potential downside is there's quite a lot of brake dust, which may bother some people.
My old mintex m171's on served 7.5" discs could be scarily bad until they had some heat in them.

Edited by imack, Yesterday, 02:37 PM.

[Cooperman]

As I explained on the other thread, the only possible problem with a competition brake pad is the possible need for special brake fluid. In proper competition the brake really heat up and it’s not unknown for the brake discs to actually glow a dull red. That sort of heat can and will cause DOT4 fluid to boil, which causes loss of braking. To prevent this AP600 or equivalent brake fluid is required which has a much higher boiling point.
However, the Mintex 1144 will fade well before DOT4 will boil and in normal road use, even when driven hard, it is unlikely a normal driver will get 1144 pads to fade.
I have faded 1144’s on test in my rally ‘S’, so I switched to Carbon-Metallic. With my 1990 historic rally 1330 Cooper I have M1166 and AP600 fluid.
So it is not the pads that are unsuitable for road use, it is having the wrong fluid when using those pads to their limit, which is unlikely on the road.

[PoolGuy]

Any good? https://mintex.com/w...-Sheet_1801.pdf

[Pete649]

I'm not sure why 1144 say not for road use,

 

I believe it's a matter of type approval with respect to ECE Regulation 90. 

 

Due to the relatively low sales volumes of these pads it isn't worth the manufacturer obtaining the type approval so they put on a disclaimer instead.

 

The regulation only applies to cars / light vehicles with braking systems which were type approved after around 1998/9. Not sure of exact date.

[Rubbershorts]

Any good? https://mintex.com/w...-Sheet_1801.pdf

Well it mentions commuting so seems pretty conclusive. Those pads are M1801 but the Mini spares are M1802, would they be the same pad do you think? Daz.

[PoolGuy]

All here >>> https://mintex.com/c...ds/?lang=en-gbr

[Rubbershorts]

That's really useful, thanks Poolguy. It looks like M1801 is taking over the more roadside duties of the M1144. Mini spares don't appear to stock this. They have the M1802, which seems to be more track orientated. They list this as not suitable for road. Demon Tweaks looks to be an option Richard e .

[Richard e]

Thanks, I understand better. But doing more reading some are saying that the 1144’s are not great cold braking? Not seeing 1801’s for classic mini 8.4” discs?

[Avtovaz]

As I explained on the other thread, the only possible problem with a competition brake pad is the possible need for special brake fluid. In proper competition the brake really heat up and it’s not unknown for the brake discs to actually glow a dull red. That sort of heat can and will cause DOT4 fluid to boil, which causes loss of braking. To prevent this AP600 or equivalent brake fluid is required which has a much higher boiling point.
However, the Mintex 1144 will fade well before DOT4 will boil and in normal road use, even when driven hard, it is unlikely a normal driver will get 1144 pads to fade.
I have faded 1144’s on test in my rally ‘S’, so I switched to Carbon-Metallic. With my 1990 historic rally 1330 Cooper I have M1166 and AP600 fluid.
So it is not the pads that are unsuitable for road use, it is having the wrong fluid when using those pads to their limit, which is unlikely on the road.

 

 

true, but if you use ate super blue 200, thats only dot 4, i run that in my road rally bmw and the brakes glow! They must make that much of it to make it so nice of price. Its also "i think" what bmw uses from the factory. 

[Zami]

I switched to 1144s 2 yrs ago based on a recommendation from a friend who owns some ungodly number of minis and variants.  He has owned minis for 40+yrs and still has two or three race minis.  I run a 1380 and had green stuff pads on MS 4 piston calipers.  They were ok I thought until my friend drove my car then took me for a ride in one of his 1380 with 1144s.  The braking on his car was way better than mine.  I switched to 1144s and have been very pleased.  Sometimes you don’t know what you don’t know.  Still learning after 70+ yrs.