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#1 mab01uk

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Posted 26 October 2025 - 08:57 AM

UN safety warning over Tesla-style car door handles linked to deaths.
"Safety experts have raised concerns over the reliability of Tesla-style car door handles after they were blamed for the deaths of passengers.
Car safety officials at the United Nations have sounded the alarm following incidents of people burning to death after they were trapped in vehicles after a crash.They warned that the electronic handles, which sit flush on a car door, may not open following an accident if a battery-powered vehicle loses power. The experts noted that “in real-world crashes, retractable door handles may not open”.

Concerns have been raised just weeks after Tesla was sued in the US over claims that its Cybertruck car doors failed after an accident last November, leading to the deaths of three people who were trapped when the vehicle caught fire. Pioneered by Tesla, hidden door handles have since been introduced on dozens of other vehicles, and are designed to pop out when pressed or when they detect a car key nearby.
As well as external changes, many vehicles have now also replaced internal handles with electronic buttons or switches. Some vehicles have back-up mechanical unlocking features, but these are often difficult to locate. In some Tesla models, a small pulley is hidden under a catch by the passenger door that is supposed to be used in the event of a door fault. But safety experts have warned that these fail-safe systems can be complicated to operate, particularly in a high-pressure crash scenario. “Instructions in owners’ manuals ... are no practical solution at an early stage of rescue,” the experts added. German technical experts at a UN safety committee proposed new standards in September that would require door mechanisms to remain operational if the vehicle loses power.

While flush door handles are not exclusive to electric cars, they were pioneered by Tesla in 2012 to give its vehicles their sleek look. In the US, transport officials have been investigating whether Tesla’s door designs have been trapping children in cars, forcing some owners to resort to breaking windows to get them out. In one incident reported to the US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, a husband and wife were trapped outside their car while their two-year-old child was in the vehicle for more than 15 minutes in temperatures of more than 38 degrees. Steve Gooding, director of the RAC Foundation, said style should not “come at the cost of safety and never should form be prioritised ahead of function”.
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Posted 26 October 2025 - 11:25 AM

these days, whenever anything that is traditionally not electric (doors, parking brakes, etc) becomes electrified, I’m out.

one more thing I don’t want or need that will break and cost money I don’t want to spend to fix, let alone entrap me when it catches on fire.

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Posted 26 October 2025 - 11:53 AM

Why change , what has worked for 60+ years ,

 

Door handles can be made sleek safe  & flush without complication ,

I sometimes deliver newer £xpensive cars , 

 

Range Rover outer door handles are the worst IMHO 

The inner Tesla toggle lever could be hard to use in a hurry
 

Don't get me started on the digital displays , different on every brand .

A massive distraction from the road .



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Posted 26 October 2025 - 01:42 PM

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Posted 26 October 2025 - 04:33 PM

I was going to post this a few weeks ago, but didn't as I didn't want to get accused of EV bashing etc, I must admit I thought an EU law was passed banning flush door handles because of this very problem, when driving along I started checking other cars to see what handles they have, very few cars are now fitted with them, Tesla do and I think one or two from the far east. If you have ever been trapped anywhere in a fire situation it isn't pleasant. Hopefully sense will prevail and flush door handles will be banned pretty soon.

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Posted 26 October 2025 - 07:50 PM

The above is blatant scaremongering, you can easily open the doors internally with the vehicle powered off… there are mechanical fail safes..

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Posted 27 October 2025 - 11:56 AM

The question is why are people not doing this? Do we need a safety drill for every occupant?The outside handles seem a concern though.Elderly driver of old tat,Steve..

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Posted 27 October 2025 - 01:54 PM

I took a lift in a friends hybrid the other day , I asked him what the "READY" illuminated on the dashboard meant. He said he didn't know ,must read the owners manual some day. He had the car a year!



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Posted 27 October 2025 - 02:13 PM

I took a lift in a friends hybrid the other day , I asked him what the "READY" illuminated on the dashboard meant. He said he didn't know ,must read the owners manual some day. He had the car a year!



And on this very forum, there are regular posts about ‘what does this switch do with the brake pedal symbol on’ and that’s been around for, what, 40 years? You might be expecting too much from people…

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Posted 27 October 2025 - 03:31 PM

Hi,

 

Refering to the horrible situation in the picture above.

How many of us have been in that horrendous position of the car catching fire, Dad in the drivers seat the children in the back panicing and scream help Dad. Dad trying to calm them at the same time trying to remember how to use the mechanical system for unlocking the doors while the car is filling with chocking smoke (and it will be), heat and flames. All at the same time as undoing his seat belt and making sure the children's were undone.

I don't think we should fault the Dad at all. I hope I am never in that position.

There is no way any manufacturer should have been allowed to produce a car that cannot be easily opened from either the inside or out. When Musk was head of Dodge (whatever it was called) and his reckless sacking of staff from various US departments gives some idea of his regard for the human race.

I agree with Sledgehammer.

Yes I agree with reading the manual but these days the manual has to be read through the car's touch screen not in book form that you can read at your leasure indoors.

I on my Focus had to check something so went to the touch screen emanual and could not find the answer. Went to my local dealer and thay could not find the answer on the emanual but were able to ask Ford's technical department who then directed us to the answer via several clicks through a main section and several sub sections.

Having seen a small bit of the emanual I reckon I would have had to sit in the car for a whole day if not longer to read it, while having to start the car every so often because the battery was being drained too much.

 

 

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Posted 27 October 2025 - 04:00 PM

well it was definitely true it seems

https://www.thesun.c...ed-tesla-crash/

 

and not the only one

https://www.google.c... alive in tesla

 

but it does make me wonder, why not just smash the windows in



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Posted 27 October 2025 - 11:42 PM

Regarding drivers and passengers not reading the now often very thick car handbook (or online document info if paperless)......have you noticed how many cars now drive around at night with no rear lights on. This is due to the EU regulations for DRL's (Daytime Running Lights - front lights only) many drivers now think because the front of their car is lit up (along with the LED dash illumination) they have rear lights on. Most cars now have an auto lights setting which would put the main lights on at night without having to remember....but you have to be aware of the function to set it.


Edited by mab01uk, 27 October 2025 - 11:43 PM.


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Posted 28 October 2025 - 08:00 AM

Regarding drivers and passengers not reading the now often very thick car handbook (or online document info if paperless)......have you noticed how many cars now drive around at night with no rear lights on. This is due to the EU regulations for DRL's (Daytime Running Lights - front lights only) many drivers now think because the front of their car is lit up (along with the LED dash illumination) they have rear lights on. Most cars now have an auto lights setting which would put the main lights on at night without having to remember....but you have to be aware of the function to set it.

Short trip from Sheffield to Leeds this weekend, three cars in the failing daylight doing this very thing. One was oblivious to it even when flashed by other drivers. I think it would help if the dash didn't light up with the DRL's. 



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Posted 28 October 2025 - 12:06 PM

The trouble is here, not everyone is like us, as in car minded people. some prefer form over function.

Car manufacturers make things and then TELL US how good they are and that we NEED to buy them.

keyless entry is a prime example of this. Thieves can now get into your car without doing any damage to locks or windows, they just boost the signal from your car keys and away they go....but its a brilliant idea.

 We are told that LED lights are the future, and no doubt they are better BUT when it comes to replacing a broken one its going to set you back a small fortune (many many hundreds). A lamp for the mini is a few quid.

 

I watched a video about the new Porsche Cayenne doors recently. internal door handle, just pull it a little bit to electronically release the catch and open the door. Incase of electric failure......fully pull the door handle to release manually. 

says it all. 



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Posted 28 October 2025 - 12:19 PM

 

Regarding drivers and passengers not reading the now often very thick car handbook (or online document info if paperless)......have you noticed how many cars now drive around at night with no rear lights on. This is due to the EU regulations for DRL's (Daytime Running Lights - front lights only) many drivers now think because the front of their car is lit up (along with the LED dash illumination) they have rear lights on. Most cars now have an auto lights setting which would put the main lights on at night without having to remember....but you have to be aware of the function to set it.

Short trip from Sheffield to Leeds this weekend, three cars in the failing daylight doing this very thing. One was oblivious to it even when flashed by other drivers. I think it would help if the dash didn't light up with the DRL's. 

 

 

yup I had one last night. he was sat there waiting to be let through a gap, I blocked the gap and flashed him.  no response.  flashed again, no response, held it on a few seconds, still nothing

 

possibly he thought I was saying 'go through' but I had also blocked the gap so I guess that confused his obviously tiny brain

 

f.cks sake.. roll down window and shout LIGHTS! as I went by.  he's probably still oblivious


Edited by stuart bowes, 28 October 2025 - 12:23 PM.





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