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#31 R1minimagic

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 06:09 PM

Its called SCR Inducement strategy.  Basically, it gives the user warnings and if ignored, they will get severe derates, or (for cars) no engine restarts available.

 

See here letter from US EPA to heavy duty OEMs outlining the inducement strategy that must be used by law:

 

http://washingtonfir...lId=0&TabId=106



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Posted 22 September 2015 - 07:11 PM

 

The EPA has the power to fine a company up to $37,500 for each vehicle that breaches standards - a maximum fine of about $18bn.

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...siness-34324772

 

I can't see 5 billion quid being enough when all the other countries weigh in!



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Posted 22 September 2015 - 07:18 PM

And the US lawsuits.....



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Posted 22 September 2015 - 08:01 PM

I bet VAG are not the only ones with this as a potential issue. What have all the others done, BMW, Mercedes, Ford, GM, Toyota, Nissan, etc. If one is at it then it's a good bet they all are. If they all get fined, that will put up the price of new cars considerably as they strive to recover from the 'hit'.

Now it will be interesting to see where this goes politically in the USA & in Europe.



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Posted 22 September 2015 - 08:10 PM

If this is a more widespread finding then the OEMs will all club together and turn it back around against the policy makers (You've made us all invest billions over the years to pass tests that are not even relevant in the real world...and have not reduced air pollution as promised)..



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Posted 22 September 2015 - 08:14 PM

I bet VAG are not the only ones with this as a potential issue. What have all the others done, BMW, Mercedes, Ford, GM, Toyota, Nissan, etc. If one is at it then it's a good bet they all are. If they all get fined, that will put up the price of new cars considerably as they strive to recover from the 'hit'.
Now it will be interesting to see where this goes politically in the USA & in Europe.


Thats my thought, I can't see VW were stumped yet everyone else sussed it out?

#37 Mini Manannán

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 09:23 PM

Good article on it in ARS Technica today: http://arstechnica.c...ware-tinkering/



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Posted 22 September 2015 - 09:42 PM

There are other considerations here. The Department of Justice is investigating too. Criminal charges are possible too which would be a double whammy.

 

http://blog.caranddr...r-diesel-snafu/

 

How they got caught - it was not even the US EPA investigating them:

 

http://blog.caranddr...ions-standards/



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Posted 22 September 2015 - 11:11 PM

After all he press coverage they received in the last few days ...

 

the Volkswagen CEO must be exhausted.

 

I'll get me coat  :shy: 



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Posted 23 September 2015 - 02:39 AM

Now VW is going to conduct their own internal investigation to find a "scapegoat". Something like this:

 

 

Or maybe they will rethink their strategy:

 


Edited by xrocketengineer, 23 September 2015 - 02:47 AM.


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Posted 23 September 2015 - 09:18 AM

Now VW is going to conduct their own internal investigation to find a "scapegoat". Something like this:

 

 

Or maybe they will rethink their strategy:

 

Rocketman,

 

In future, could you kindly provide some kinda warning when posting up stuff like this.

 

I've only now just come back from the Hospital after watch those clips and doing myself some very serious injury.

 

They must have a health warning slapped on them (particularly the last one).



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Posted 23 September 2015 - 09:23 AM

Pity their 'defeat device' can't be fitted to the mini  :shy:

 

Just on this and other claims in this thread about other manufacturer's 'cheating' the system, well, the Mini's we got here from about 76 on had an Air Injection Pump fitted, they are the same spec for Sweden.

 

They fitted a crank driven (via a belt) air pump, that pumped fresh air in to the exhaust ports, this diluted the exhaust with fresh air, so when a sample was measured at then tailpipe - in in accordance with the legislation of the day - it met the requirements, never mind it had the same actually amount of pollutants, as a tailpipe percentage, it was less :unsure:


Edited by Moke Spider, 23 September 2015 - 09:23 AM.


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Posted 23 September 2015 - 02:22 PM

 

Now VW is going to conduct their own internal investigation to find a "scapegoat". Something like this:

 

 

Or maybe they will rethink their strategy:

 

Rocketman,

 

In future, could you kindly provide some kinda warning when posting up stuff like this.

 

I've only now just come back from the Hospital after watch those clips and doing myself some very serious injury.

 

They must have a health warning slapped on them (particularly the last one).

 

Sorry, there was no intention to cause any harm. :lol:



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Posted 23 September 2015 - 04:48 PM

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#45 Mini Manannán

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 09:38 PM

VW go down the pan, Germany's economy goes down the pan, the Euro goes down the pan.  Discuss.  :unsure:






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