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[Bazooka Joe]

Personally what I would expect the King of the World to do - lets be honest, if you're the President you are the King of the World - is to have made his excuses and at least got away from the cameras to discuss the unfolding events with his advisors, military people, cats in tin foil hats etc, who would have kept him up to date with the events as he was on his way to either New York or Washington. What I would expect "Dubyer" to do was exactly what he did do. Whatever you do, don't call him Junior, apparently he doesn't like it. JUNIOR.

[Jammy]

People are still confusing facts with theories!!!


Two planes hit the World Trade Centre buildings - fact, everyone saw them, it was on worldwide television.
The Twin Towers collapsed - fact, again millions witnessed it.

The Twin Towers collapsed due to explosive charges (ie a controlled demolition), THOERY. A huge investigation that went on for months couldn't find ANY trace of explosive charge. People who have been in the demolition business for decades have said, to demolish a building like one of the towers you'd need hundreds of metres of wiring, thousands of charges and several months to set it all up. How exactly did a 'covert' group if people manage to install all this wiring and charges without at least some of the employees all work there day and night noticing?



I think everyone knows the real reason why America went to war in Iraq - oil. But I'm sure America could have come up with a better way of stirring up a war than to kill thousands of their own citizens! For a start the war that resulted from 9/11 was the war in Afghanistan!! And there isn't anything in that country that America could profit from.

Occam's Razor - "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best." In other words, when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities.

So what's more likely? America spends a decade giving weapons to a group in the middle east to get to power and to fight a local Russian backed group. America then annoys this group, the group leaders sends a few of his men to hijack a few poorly secured planes and fly them into prominent buildings in New York.
OR
America wants to go to war with Iraq to get some oil, so they decide to fight the Taliban in Afghanistan (can't work out the reasoning behind that myself). A secret government agency spends weeks/months laying demolition charges around two of the most populated and busiest buildings in New York, without being caught, and then murder several thousands of their own citizens, just to stir up some national emotion.

[dave21478]

...Two planes hit the World Trade Centre buildings - fact, everyone saw them, it was on worldwide television.
The Twin Towers collapsed - fact, again millions witnessed it.....

There are plenty of people out there who will argue till they are blue in the face that the planes were holograms and it was all done with special effects and camera tricks.

If only these conspiracy nutters could see thier own arguments for the rediculous nonsense they really are.

[Jammy]

There are plenty of people out there who will argue till they are blue in the face that the planes were holograms and it was all done with special effects and camera tricks.

And the resulting fire was people just out of camera shot waving bits of yellow and red tissue paper I guess!

[nurseholliday]

I used to be a big conspiracy theory believer, I do still think There's leaders and big business people who are capable of orchestrating such a theory, but thankfully I've matured enough to know it's ridiculously unlikely that anyone would attempt to pull off something so crazy. Michael Moore is great at making docu-drama-thrillers but you need to take them with a huge mound of salt.

Supersize Me and America Unchained however, much better! Not seen Dave Gormond's film, but the book is brilliant. Michael Moore wishes he was that good!

[nurseholliday]

and less of this stupid Americans. I personally know a lot of clever, funny, and attractive Americans!

[taffy1967]

I believe they could have prevented 911 from happening, the TV movie 'The Path To 911' proves they were given enough warnings.

But then hindsight is a wonderful thing and you can't do a lot after the event.

Apart from go to war.

But they could have so easily nuked those countries completely as pay back, which thankfully they didn't.

Shame they haven't got hold of that Bin Liner bloke though, because I'm sure that would make people feel a lot safer.

Edited by taffy1967, 15 October 2008 - 03:57 PM.

[dave21478]

gah, cant let that pass...


"The TV movie The Path to 911 proves....."

[Strontium Dog]

A huge investigation that went on for months couldn't find ANY trace of explosive charge. People who have been in the demolition business for decades have said, to demolish a building like one of the towers you'd need hundreds of metres of wiring, thousands of charges and several months to set it all up. How exactly did a 'covert' group if people manage to install all this wiring and charges without at least some of the employees all work there day and night noticing?

That's only 'cause Fred Dibnah isn't around any more. He would have just lit a fire at one corner and that would have been that! Lol!

Edited by Stronteum Dog, 15 October 2008 - 05:50 PM.

[taffy1967]

gah, cant let that pass...


"The TV movie The Path to 911 proves....."

Well okay not proves, but it's common knowledge that they just allowed it to happen.

[taffy1967]

A huge investigation that went on for months couldn't find ANY trace of explosive charge. People who have been in the demolition business for decades have said, to demolish a building like one of the towers you'd need hundreds of metres of wiring, thousands of charges and several months to set it all up. How exactly did a 'covert' group if people manage to install all this wiring and charges without at least some of the employees all work there day and night noticing?

That's only 'cause Fred Dibnah isn't around any more. He would have just lit a fire at one corner and that would have been that! Lol!

What with thousands of innocent people inside? No I don't think he would.

Plus those towers would have stood for centuries had they been left alone.

[dave21478]

Actually....
no idea if its true or not (I wont state is a fact, but "something I heard") the ground lease for the towers was due to expire around now, and they would have had to have been sold off/demolished/turned into something else by now.
I only mention this as I read some tinfoil hat wearing blokes theory about how it was all just a big insurance job to save demolishion costs.

[taffy1967]

I'd heard that they hadn't long insured them for a very large sum of money.

They weren't due to be demolished, they were built to last for hundreds of years.

[mini93]

I'd heard that they hadn't long insured them for a very large sum of money.

They weren't due to be demolished, they were built to last for hundreds of years.

actualy, looked at a program and the structure was safe n such, but the time they took to actualy build it was thought as good a quality as it could have been or something (this was years ago so i reaaaly cant remember what they properly ment...it was flawd though

[benb12]

Unfortunately I had to watch this documentary about 5 times analysing every single detail in media studies. The way it's presented is quite funny but it is also very manipulative in the way it is presented. A lot of people really do believe every word of it but it is very dramatised in every way.