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[screech]

Who can do it, with big feet! And how the f*$k do you do it? i mean what do you do, i was told the other day why it is done but i want to know? any ideas?

[Bungle]

its a dance step

ask teapot he will remember :smartass:

[jimbo_edmondo]

Is it when you pop the throttle on the down shift whilst braking at the same time? If yes i can do it.

My bro managed to heel-toe to pull away on hills when the handbrake broke on his midget.

[Pooky]

isn't that double clutching?

[screech]

yeah all that with the heel and toe, stops all the suspension being used before going intoo a corner? Just need explanation on how its done, anyone?

[Oldskoolbaby]

I always toe and heel when I drive minis. I heard it can seriously save the gearbox in the heat of the moment. If you want to try something a bit more daring, start left foot braking......while reving up to change down a gear. Its like pating your head and rubbing your bellly at the same time.

[Brawlyrox]

Heal and toe is fine, a donw change whilst revving and braking, simple if u practice... and left ffot braking is fine lol!! whos tried right foot clutching? WAHAHAH

[Pickup76]

yeh i always heel toe/double clutch as it saves the gearbox, ive got size 8 feet so its quite easy. I have adjusted the trottle peddle abit to make it just right as well.

[Lt-SilverDragon]

Why do you want to konw? I mean seeing as this is a mini forum I'm guessing you are asking with the mini in mind, right? I can't imagine when anyone would ever use heel and toe in a fwd car, it's really more of a rwd thing but here it goes anyway

Brake with right foot, keep toes on brake and slide the heel of your right foot over to the accelerator pedal and rev it to decided rpm.

The idea is to change gear while braking and release the clutch at the right rpm. It's mainly used for drifting, where you'd rev high so when you release the clutch the rear tires lose traction. Only way you can drift in a fwd car is to left foot brake and use the handbrake.

EDIT: Well I din't know it saves the gearbox, it might have a use for a mini afterall :grin:

I've always wanted to put a second clutch pedal to the right of the accelator, so while driving through built up areas you can keep your foot on the brake incase someone runs in front of you.

[Pickup76]

also it means the sincromesh doesnt get such a pounding on the down shift which is a great idea in a mini. Thats certainly an odd way of getting a car to drift, a good boot full and a bit of lock does it for me.

[jimbo_edmondo]

Well look at that i was right, i generally only do it when i know im going to shift down with a lot of revs say over 3k. And the engine doesn't brake the car as much as the revs are already there so it saves clutch and gearbox. Cool i just found it gave a nicer ride and sounded good lol!

[Sprocket]

Its not realy heel and toe but toe and side of foot( have a look at racing boots, the sole of the shoe extends up the outer edge of the foot) Practice it on a closed road or empty car park and make sure there is lots of distance between you and anything you may crash into. press the brake with the right foot, rotate the heel towards the accelerator and on the double de clutch blip the accelerator with the side of your foot, kind of roll the ankle pressing the little toe onto the accelerator while keeping the pressure on the brake constant. You need to be able to double de clutch to be able to heel and toe. It takes time but youll be able to put the right amount of pressure on the brake and keep it constant while bliping the Accelerator double declutching down the gears. Heel and toe alows you to brake and change down a gear all at the same time before you enter the corner, so you should be entering the corner at the right speed and in the right gear to keep it on power round the corner and accelerate out of the corner. This technique is more important on dog boxes other wise it destroys the box

[mighty_mini]

Does that mean we have some drifters on the forum? :cool:

Is anyone a member of DriftWorks?

Thats why im getting out of the mini game, JDM Yo! ... :fear:

[binge]

Heel and Toe.
Never tried it, Not had the chance really in an auto. :tongue:

BUT is it the same priciple as bliping the throttle on a motorbike as you let the clutch out on the down shifts to stop the "over revving" sound whist engine brakeing.

I ride motorbikes day in day out, So I know all the bike manouvers. Just not the car ones yet.

[andrewinlondon]

Thanks for the excellent explanation on "heel & toeing" Mini Sprocket.

But could you please explain what you mean by "double de clutching"? (ie, "You need to be able to double de clutch to be able to heel and toe".)

I note that I can't get my right foot to be able to brake and also make any contact with my right foot presently, so this "heel & towing" may be completely academic for me.

But what I currently do on almost every downshift coming up to a corner, is to brake to slow my speed, then take my right foot off briefly to keep the revs up while depressing the clutch and changing down, then taking my right foot back to the brake or leaving it on the accelerator, to take the corner.

So can you please let me know if I am "double clutching" or also doing a slight variation of the "heel & toe"?